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5th February 2008, 07:36am
#1
by Vance917
Rockville, Maryland United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 238

This opening has helped me a lot, and hurt me a lot.


5th February 2008, 07:38am
#2
by Sunshiny
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 733
Nh6
5th February 2008, 07:42am
#3
by ih8sens
Sudbury, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 988

4. f6 isn't good... work from there and finding the best move should be easier.

 


5th February 2008, 07:44am
#4
by Donovan12
Cork Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 37
if black plays Nh6 stops whites threats.
5th February 2008, 07:56am
#5
by einstein_69101
Lincoln, Nebraska United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1767
Instead of 4...f6 you can try 4...Nf6 It develops another piece.  :)
5th February 2008, 09:05am
#6
by EnGliSHCheSsPlAy
Italy Italy
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 274
why g6 and f6???Sealed
5th February 2008, 09:42am
#7
by Fotoman
Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 583
5th February 2008, 07:45pm
#8
by Vance917
Rockville, Maryland United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 238
With all due respect, and I do appreciate the replies, Nh6 does not work.  The bishop can simply take it (after a pawn is moved to clear the way for the bishop).
5th February 2008, 07:50pm
#9
by Sunshiny
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 733
Bishop can't take it because the knight on g5 is in the way.
5th February 2008, 07:51pm
#10
by Unbeliever
United States
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Member Points: 1083
2. Nf6 is the counter I use to defend against this.  It forces the Queen to move, and blocks the usual retreat that threatens mate for white, which is Qf3.
5th February 2008, 07:54pm
#11
by Sunshiny
United States
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Member Points: 733
Unbeliever wrote: 2. Nf6 is the counter I use to defend against this.  It forces the Queen to move, and blocks the usual retreat that threatens mate for white, which is Qf3.

 Nf6 is one of the counters, but not on the second move. The pawn on e5 is hanging.


5th February 2008, 07:56pm
#12
by Unbeliever
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 1083
I usually hang the e5 against lower-ranked players, as 3. Qxe5 Qe7confuses the heck out of most people. 
5th February 2008, 07:56pm
#13
by xyzzy
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 43

what's the earliest you've seen a queen out in the open in a grandmaster game?   There's a reason - continual attacks on the queen would let black develop piece after piece, and all white can do is move 1 piece around.


5th February 2008, 07:57pm
#14
by Vance917
Rockville, Maryland United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 238
Thank you all, I guess Nf6 is OK, but no defense is inpenetrable.  This one seems vulnerable to a pawn coming up and attacking the knight.  Funny, I always thought that bringing the queen out early is a mistake, and that a good player could obliterate this opening.  But perhaps not?
5th February 2008, 08:19pm
#15
by skwirlguts
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 80
You all need to go play chess mentor. This opening is bad. The only reason you can be winning is if black is just as bad. Please stop teaching blitzkreig.
5th February 2008, 08:21pm
#16
by Nalikill
Anytown United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 71
I'll whip out a book I have here (and put it into the diagram
that shows how Scholar's Mate is refuted; or the general idea, at least
5th February 2008, 08:40pm
#17
by Sunshiny
United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 733
skwirlguts wrote: You all need to go play chess mentor. This opening is bad. The only reason you can be winning is if black is just as bad. Please stop teaching blitzkreig.

 Heh, i never said it was any good. I just provided the answer for that situation.


6th February 2008, 05:44am
#18
by Vance917
Rockville, Maryland United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 238
Nalikill wrote: I'll whip out a book I have here (and put it into the diagram that shows how Scholar's Mate is refuted; or the general idea, at least

What if 6. Qc3 instead


6th February 2008, 05:55am
#19
by Fotoman
Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 583
Against weak players I play Nf6, hang the pawn, open the e file and kick the queen with Nc6. My theory is that they will end up defending poorly and I have turned the initiative.
6th February 2008, 06:37am
#20
by bobito75
Beirut Lebanon
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 16
Nice
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