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how to fight for a win against 1. nf3?


  • 14 months ago · Quote · #1

    bongcloudftw

    I've faced many 'chickens' recently that play nf3 and play super unambitiously. any ideas- how do i imbalance the position?

    For example

    1. nf3 d5 d4 nf6 c4 e6 cxd5 exd5

    2. nf3 c5 c4

    3. nf3 nf6 g3 g6 bg2 bg7 o-o o-o d4 

    4. nf3 g6 g3

    i'm literally flaming inside because i wanna take off the boxing gloves and fight!!

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #2

    GMVillads

    ...f5! Try the Dutch defence. nf3 will typical be transposed into Well knoen d4 positions. Just play the same as you play Afgains d4

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #3

    xxvalakixx

    It may transpose into a sicilian defence after Nf3-c5 e4.
    Or just play the opening you play against d4. 

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #4

    InfiniteFlash

    A nf3 player like me plays the opening because they like to cherry pick a favorable repetoire of the best of 1.d4 and 1.c4.

    I personally think there are no openings as black that fight for the win since white can force a draw in many opening lines, its the player that fights for the win, not the opening.

    tbh, when im playing white, usually the better player win.

    If there is one line that annoys me as white, its the slav setups with g6, ive found nothing that i like vs black in these setups, its painfully solid. I think kamsky is popularizing it lately.

    As black vs nf3 try to experiment with the setups you play against 1.d4 and learn.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #5

    periodmilk

    you must not let them in, flex and bust out hard bro, use your king only a queen can kill him so once you have disabled the queen and crush your enemys.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #6

    ManlyLadyLumps

    rigamagician wrote:

    Reverse Bongcloud 1.Nf3 e5 2.Nxe5 Ke7.  The gloves come off pretty soon in that line.

    I have a +3 =4 -1 against Magnus Carlsen using this opening, would definitely recommend

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #7

    chessBBQ

    try the king's indian defense setups

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #8

    dzikus

    I play 1.Nf3 c5 - in some cases white goes 2.e4 and we have the Sicilian

    On 2.c4 you may choose 2...Nf6 3.Nc3 d5 - this lets black choose reverse Maroczy with e5, Be7, Be6, f6, O-O (the move order may vary depending on white's play) or Botvinnik system e5, Ne7, g6 and so on.

    White can avoid those lines by playing 3.d4 - then you may switch to the hedgehog system which is a double-edged opening where white must be accurate or black breaks through at d5, f5 or b5 and frequently activates very quickly. I am not sure however if hedgehog is to your taste - black waits and prepares to open the position and make the game more crazy

    If you want to surprise the opponent you might try 1.Nf3 b5 - it is annoying for some Nf3 players because they like early c4 (I played that against a CM till he switched to 1.c4 against me (and only me) just to avoid b5Tongue Out)

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #9

    svatich

    Try 1.Nf3 Nc6...

    That is if you want imbalances :)

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #10

    RatDogFriday

    My approach is simple: 1. Nf3 d5 followed by c6/Nf6/Bg4, complete development and push for e5/c5 breaks with Re8/Rc8 or Qc7/Qb6 and Bd6. All my pieces reach good squares and I give up nothing to White. I'm at worst equal with good play.

    But it's a bad question. 1.Nf3 is not a 'chicken' move. Since it seems to have disrupted your thought process and you needed to seek help dealing with it, I'd say it has achieved its objective.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #11

    bongcloudftw

    okay lets take the advices one by one:

    nf3 f5 seems like one way to force imbalances that I haven't thought of. I haven't studied the dutch but this seems one way forward.

    against slav setups white can just play cxd5 cxd5 then i'll fall asleep

    reversed bongcloud can only be realistically applied in bullet lol

    nf3 c5 c4 nf6 nc3 d5 after cxd5 nxd5 e4 i don't think the position seems fully sound for black.

    against kid setup white mirrors black and plays d4 then i fall asleep

    hmm although nf3 b5 i won't play it seems possible after nf3 nf6 g3 b5. this way it avoids the 2. e4 line.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #12

    TitanCG

    I agree with 1...c5. You can get all sorts of positions after that move but if you don't play the sicilian then it might be risky.

    Maybe you can try the queen's gambit accepted w/ 1.Nf3 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 dc 4.e3 Bg4. You should watch some games first but Black will trade off the bishop creating an imbalance in the pieces (and pawn structure if White plays correctly) and gambit a pawn for play against White's pawn structure.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #13

    p-wnattack

    you can attempt a reversed closed sicilian

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #14

    bongcloudftw

    nf3 nc6 nc3 nf6...sleep?

    nf3 isn't a chicken move yeah sure, but there are chickens who play nf3 and play for a dead equal position.

    nf3 d5 d4 c6 (is what you are probably suggesting) c4 nf6 and we got the slav exchange.

    i play the sicilian but i fear the lines with 2.c4 aiming for a symmetrical position. and finally your line has 2 nf3's in it so i think i can't analyse it. (if the other nf3 was a nc3, you can't have played c4)

    not sure how to attempt a closed reversed sicilian

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #15

    InfiniteFlash

    1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 for black is worth trying. I think the position is very playable for black, probably just = in everything. I have played these positions as white too many times, and tbh 6.a3 is the best try, and even here white is hardly getting anything.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #16

    bongcloudftw

    InfiniteFlash wrote:

    1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 for black is worth trying. I think the position is very playable for black, probably just = in everything. I have played these positions as white too many times, and tbh 6.a3 is the best try, and even here white is hardly getting anything.

    i would be happy to see 3. d4. where i can play 3...e5 (i'd play 2 nf6 instead though)

    thing is chickens play 3. nc3 and please refer to the above for why i'm still bored to death

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  • 14 months ago · Quote · #20

    Mainline_Novelty

    p-wnattack wrote:

    you can attempt a reversed closed sicilian

    That could be hard against 1.Nf3...if you play 1...g6 or 1..d6 they'll probably just transpose into a Modern/KID thingy


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