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Hyperaccelerated Dragon question


  • 17 months ago · Quote · #1

    Elite_Spartan

    Why doesn't the knight on c6 get taken? 

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #2

    Conzipe

    You can either go back to g8 then play f6/Nh6 and soon equalize or even play Nd5 which sacs a pawn for quite good compensation.

    I like to compare these two positions when teaching other people not to be afraid of line.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Which one do you prefer?

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #3

    blasterdragon

    taking on c6 is a mistake the knight on d4 is a more central knight and is better also if white takes then black can recapture with his b-pawn not only capturing towards the center and opening the b-file but also opening the diagonal for the LSB

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #4

    blasterdragon

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #5

    Conzipe

    Blasterdragon you should probably look through that line again for potential holes.

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #6

    notmolan

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  • 17 months ago · Quote · #7

    abiogenesis23

    I don't like the line you showed played by white, I think if you can ever get a maroczy bind, why not go for it?  I know you are talking about playing from the black side, but I'd plan for playing against this variation as well.

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #8

    Conzipe

    That is somewhat out of topic abiogenisis. Accelerated dragon players should be happy when facing the maroczy, otherwise they are theoretically better off playing the normal dragon. 


  • 17 months ago · Quote · #9

    abiogenesis23

    Conzipe wrote:

    That is somewhat out of topic abiogenisis. Accelerated dragon players should be happy when facing the maroczy, otherwise they are theoretically better off playing the normal dragon. 


    Being happy to face the maroczy doesn't lower it's effectiveness.  Plus I don't know if he's just learning the hyperdragon now, and if he is it is a good thing to point out that structure.  

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #10

    blasterdragon

    The maroczy bind is positionally powerful but if the black player knows what they are doing they will get sufficient counterplay and will probably have a good game

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #11

    waffllemaster

    I've played Nxc6 in different sicilian lines in tournaments just to get out of book and play chess.  I'm sure it's less ambitious because masters don't play it, but I don't mind :p

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #12

    makikihustle

    Elite_Spartan wrote:

    Why doesn't the knight on c6 get taken? 

     


    If Nxc6, then bxc6 and black brings more pawns to the center for a good pawn majority.

    Also, black doesn't have to play nf6 right away, he can play d6 first, to prevent that e4-e5 push. *thumbs up*

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #13

    Conzipe

    If the opponent is happy to face a certain line you are playing does usually means it's effectiveness is lowered. Since they most likely know the lines and are content with the positions they will end up with.

    Bringing up the maroczy bind however is likely to completely change the topic when the point of this thread is actually to discuss what happens after 7. Nxc6.

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #14

    Elite_Spartan

    thanks guys. I kinda understand it now. but it seems intimidating to go back to Ng8 and then f6

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #15

    abiogenesis23

    Conzipe wrote:

    If the opponent is happy to face a certain line you are playing does usually means it's effectiveness is lowered. Since they most likely know the lines and are content with the positions they will end up with.

    Bringing up the maroczy bind however is likely to completely change the topic when the point of this thread is actually to discuss what happens after 7. Nxc6.

    You already answered the question.  My comment was not something that would derail the entire topic.  

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #16

    Conzipe

    The question you asked is a very wide one, since there is a lot to discuss about how good the maroczy bind really is for white.

    Such a question can certainly change the topic completely.

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #17

    makikihustle

    Elite_Spartan wrote:

    thanks guys. I kinda understand it now. but it seems intimidating to go back to Ng8 and then f6


    That's why you can also play


    pawn to d6--so you don't have to retreat the knight. (If white plays e4-e5, then black just plays d6xe5.)

    The d6 move was a common part of my repertoire when I played the Sicilian (Najdorf and Scheveningen). Also applies to the Dragon.

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #19

    abiogenesis23

    pfren wrote:

    Going back to g8 is the move you have to play if you want to win.

    Moving it to the "active" d5 square is actually the right road to an effortless draw, and nothing more than that. Here is a game I have played as Black, and which has been used as reference in a few Accelerated Dragon books e.g. the one by P.H.Nielsen and C. Hansen:

     

    Having done his homework, Black never was in any danger in that game- but then he did not have any winning chances as well, if White failed to blunder something.
    For the record, I do not play the Accelerated Dragon anymore. The Maroczy is a major pain in the butt, no matter what Dzindzi and the other "authorities" claim when they are trying to get cheap customers. Black may draw, but he has to suffer for a long, long time- period, and fullstop.

    I agree completely.  

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #20

    Captain_America_0615

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