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I play the French but HATE e6


  • 22 months ago · Quote · #61

    TetsuoShima

    thought so, but who knows

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #62

    Kingpatzer

    pfren wrote:

     

    It's funny to see class players dismissing opening ABC without actually knowing anything about it. Not that the opening matters, when in the middlegame all sorts of pieces are blundered randomly... but the usual excuse after a loss is "I player a poor opening". Bah.

    I'm not dismissing the opening. I said I'm not aware of any GM who's name most people would recognize who employs it as their regular defense. Honestly, I would be surprised if half of the people at my club could tell you who Shulmann or Morozovich are. I stand by my statement. The Carlsens and Kasparovs and Nakamuras and Keres' and Korchnois and others with universal name recognition don't employ the french as their primary 1. e4 defense. 

    I'd be careful about condemning all class players as ignorant of all openings. I'm myself a regular French player. I've been playing it my whole life. While I would never consider my knowlege of the opening to be on par with any titled player who employs the opening regularly, I know for a fact that there's at least one or two national masters who know less about the French than I do. I've twice had titled players go wrong against me in the Guimard variation in skittles games at my local club.

    And you're absoltuely right that titled players outplay us class patzers in the middle game regardless of opening even if we happen to know a line better than they do.  Those titles do actually require a few skills to obtain :)

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #64

    Kingpatzer

    Fair enough. Due to proximity and the general statement being made I wasn't sure if you were writting on oblique response to something I said or not, so I was just clarifying my prior comments. 

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #65

    TetsuoShima

    are you kidding wasnt french the primary of korchnoi?

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #66

    restinpeace

    why hate e6? its an interesting move against ever popular e4.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #67

    abiogenesis23

    TetsuoShima wrote:

    are you kidding wasnt french the primary of korchnoi?

    This is true, according to the database Korchnoi played 1...e6 in response to 1.e4 400 times, and it was his most frequent response.  

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #68

    varelse1

    OP is right!!

    The French would be an awesome defense, except for that stupid pawn on e6!!

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #70

    InfiniteFlash

    Reb wrote:

    Botvinnik and Petrosian both played the french quite a bit , as well as Korchnoi and noone played it as much as Uhlmann I don't believe . Fischer lost several games against the french but I don't believe he ever played it as black . Interestingly Fischer always played 3 Nc3 against the french and against the winawer always chose either 4 e5  or  4 a3 immediately and he scored better with 4 a3 . 

    Fischer hated playing against the french if i remember correctly, i think he struggled mightily against it for some reason.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #71

    DrSpudnik

    The argument that no big deal GM plays this (or that) particular opening exclusively is bogus. Most top GMs play a variety of openings to keep their own repetoire from getting too overly familiar with their small group of serious opponents. They need to keep their opponents on their toes.

    Of course every player GM or not has a favorite thing to play and a go-to opening, but that's a different argument entirely.

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #72

    makikihustle

    Randomemory wrote:
    Reb wrote:

    Botvinnik and Petrosian both played the french quite a bit , as well as Korchnoi and noone played it as much as Uhlmann I don't believe . Fischer lost several games against the french but I don't believe he ever played it as black . Interestingly Fischer always played 3 Nc3 against the french and against the winawer always chose either 4 e5  or  4 a3 immediately and he scored better with 4 a3 . 

    Fischer hated playing against the french if i remember correctly, i think he struggled mightily against it for some reason.

    The reason is that the French (played well) is very hard to play against. :D

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #73

    jambyvedar

    Ian Nepomniachtchi is one of the young 2700 talented player who always employ the French defense( he also plays the sicilian defense).

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #74

    TetsuoShima

    Randomemory wrote:
    Reb wrote:

    Botvinnik and Petrosian both played the french quite a bit , as well as Korchnoi and noone played it as much as Uhlmann I don't believe . Fischer lost several games against the french but I don't believe he ever played it as black . Interestingly Fischer always played 3 Nc3 against the french and against the winawer always chose either 4 e5  or  4 a3 immediately and he scored better with 4 a3 . 

    Fischer hated playing against the french if i remember correctly, i think he struggled mightily against it for some reason.

    i heard that too, but why wouldnt the soviets have played french against him to stop  him??

  • 22 months ago · Quote · #75

    Irontiger

    Randomemory wrote:
    Reb wrote:

    Botvinnik and Petrosian both played the french quite a bit , as well as Korchnoi and noone played it as much as Uhlmann I don't believe . Fischer lost several games against the french but I don't believe he ever played it as black . Interestingly Fischer always played 3 Nc3 against the french and against the winawer always chose either 4 e5  or  4 a3 immediately and he scored better with 4 a3 . 

    Fischer hated playing against the french if i remember correctly, i think he struggled mightily against it for some reason.

    From what I remember, he considered the Winawer (1.e4 e6 2.d5 Nc3 3.Bb4) as antipositional and did not think it could be sound. And as for any player and any opening, if you think it is pure crap when actually it is playable, you tend to overestimate your position...


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