Is it the gruenfeld or the grunfeld?

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17th September 2009, 02:55pm
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by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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Do you spell it the grunfeld or the gruenfeld?

17th September 2009, 06:06pm
#2
by marvellosity
Portsmouth United Kingdom
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Hi, it's supposed to be Grünfeld (I think that's the right thing), but in english we don't have such a thing and the equivalent to the ü is ue, so Gruenfeld.

18th September 2009, 01:59am
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by leziate
Brisbane Australia
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Is there a Gruenfeld group I can join?

18th September 2009, 08:20am
#4
by eainca
Goleta, California United States
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leziate wrote:

Is there a Gruenfeld group I can join?


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18th September 2009, 03:55pm
#5
by ivandh
GA United States
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Ironic that both those groups spell it grunfeld.

23rd September 2009, 06:27pm
#6
by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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one of them is mine

23rd September 2009, 06:35pm
#7
by NM tonydal
United States
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marvellosity wrote:

Hi, it's supposed to be Grünfeld (I think that's the right thing), but in english we don't have such a thing and the equivalent to the ü is ue, so Gruenfeld.


Also works for "o" with an umlaut (Goethe) and "a" (Saemisch).

23rd September 2009, 06:36pm
#8
by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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so its gruendfeld

23rd September 2009, 06:36pm
#9
by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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i was hoping a master would comment

24th September 2009, 04:02am
#10
by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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so which is it?

24th September 2009, 04:02am
#11
by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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i think you guys are trying to tell me that it is both

24th September 2009, 04:11am
#12
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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My books on the Grunfeld both have it spelled Grunfeld, but with the two dots over the  " u " . When you cant put the two dots there its usually spelled  Gruenfeld. I guess both spellings are acceptable.

24th September 2009, 04:12am
#13
by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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cool thanks

24th September 2009, 04:15am
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by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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ERNST GRUENFELD
(born Nov-23-1893, died Apr-03-1962) Austria

Ernst Franz Grünfeld was born on the 23rd of November 1893 in Vienna, Austria. He lost a leg in an early childhood which was beset by poverty. However, he discovered chess, studied intensely, and quickly earned a reputatation as a skilled player at the local chess club, the Wiener Schach-Klub.

Awarded the GM title in 1950, he was German Champion in 1923. For a short period after the First World War he was among the World's best eight or nine players. His best tournament results were Meran 1924 1st ahead of Rudolf Spielmann and Akiba Rubinstein, Budapest 1926 1st with Mario Monticelli ahead of Rubinstein, Richard Reti and Savielly Tartakower, Vienna 1928 1st with Sandor Takacs and 1st at Mahrisch-Ostrau 1933. He played for Austria in four Olympiads from 1927 to 1935 but is best known as an openings theoretician and published a book on the Queen's Gambit in 1924. The Grunfeld (D80) Defense, one of the hypermodern openings, is named after him. He introduced this opening to the world by defeating Alexander Alekhine with it in 1922. See Alekhine vs Gruenfeld, 1922.

He passed away in Vienna in 1962.

 

24th September 2009, 04:15am
#15
by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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cool

24th September 2009, 04:31am
#16
by Harrr
Milano Italy
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Reb wrote:

My books on the Grunfeld both have it spelled Grunfeld, but with the two dots over the  " u " . When you cant put the two dots there its usually spelled  Gruenfeld. I guess both spellings are acceptable.


"Umlaut" -> "Americanization of"

You spell (and write) grünfeld as "gruenfeld" because in english the sound of "ue" is similar to the close front rounded vowel (y) represented by the ü.

24th September 2009, 04:32am
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by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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cool

24th September 2009, 04:34am
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by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
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Harrr wrote:
Reb wrote:

My books on the Grunfeld both have it spelled Grunfeld, but with the two dots over the  " u " . When you cant put the two dots there its usually spelled  Gruenfeld. I guess both spellings are acceptable.


"Umlaut" -> "Americanization of"

You spell it "gruenfeld" because in english the sound of "ue" is similar to the close front rounded vowel (y)


 Actually I think that it's also allowed in German, if you can't write the umlaut for some reason, then ue is acceptable. So probably the same rule was just used in English.

24th September 2009, 04:35am
#19
by Semester
Melbourne,Victoria Australia
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:-)

24th September 2009, 04:48am
#20
by Harrr
Milano Italy
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Scarblac wrote:
Harrr wrote:
Reb wrote:

My books on the Grunfeld both have it spelled Grunfeld, but with the two dots over the  " u " . When you cant put the two dots there its usually spelled  Gruenfeld. I guess both spellings are acceptable.


"Umlaut" -> "Americanization of"

You spell it "gruenfeld" because in english the sound of "ue" is similar to the close front rounded vowel (y)


 Actually I think that it's also allowed in German, if you can't write the umlaut for some reason, then ue is acceptable. So probably the same rule was just used in English.


If you are referring to '96 Reform, I must admit that I don't remember this as a rule; instead, some "e" are turned in "ä", while ß is usually replaced. If you are talking about common "speaking", or chatting, with a qwerty keyboard, I can't disagree.

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