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Is the Main line of the Fried Liver wrong?


  • 6 months ago · Quote · #62

    AdorableMogwai

    sloughterchess wrote:

    I understand that you are a mid-level professional who is fish-food for GM's who is enamored of his own brilliance with precious little else. I am reminded of a comment by Wilhelm Steinitz. When a spectator said to him, "Herr Steinitiz. I don't understand your move." Steinitz replied, "Have you ever seen a monkey play with a watch?"

    Go play with a watch.

    You should not insult Pfren like this. First off your trolling insult isn't true. Secondly, though he presents a gruff and cynical exterior, in reality Pfren is very sensitive and your insults hurt him dearly.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #63

    yeres30

    pfren wrote:
    sloughterchess wrote:
    Metaknight251 wrote:

    I'm pretty sure the fried liver as a whole is not as good as the lolli (6. d4)

    Dan Heisman in Chess Life pretty much refuted the Lolli as a winning attempt. Houdini 3 Pro continues 6...Nxd4 7.c3 b5! 8.Bd3 h6 9.Qh5 hxg5 10.Qxh8 e4! 11.cxd4 exd3 12.O-O with about an equal position.

    Please don't talk about things you have no clue about.

    6...Nxd4 is indeed the only really good move, when after 7.c3 b5 8.Bxd5 Qxd5 9.f3, white will win a piece for two pawns and a compact Black center. Initially engines say about equal, but if you do some serious analysis (can you? I guess not...) it becomes clear that white has the advantage.

    Position after 9.f3

    Your Fried Liver line is silly, too. After 8...Ncb4! 9.0-0 c6 10.d4 Qf6 11.Qe2

    Black's best is 11...Ke7

    (letting the LSB to develop freely) and this position has been exhaustively analysed-white has no advantage after either 12.Ne4, or 12.de5.

    You could use your Houdini to analyse these positions, but I'm afraid this task is simply too heavy for your skills.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #64

    sloughterchess

    pfren wrote:

    I understand that your shameless trolling should be attributed, at least partially, to your schizoid personality. However, some of your comments show that you also have a ton of malignity in you. You should really see a doctor (or replace the one who's treating you) before it's too late for you.

    Regards.

    My apologies if my comments to you (the truth) offended you.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #65

    sloughterchess

    pfren wrote:
    sloughterchess wrote:
    And your "literate" accomplishments are???

    Certainly way most important that yours.

    Won't bother mentioning them... Google it, sir.

    At your suggestion I googled your name. This is what I found:

     

    “Polar bear palaver: Black list of known chess cheaters”

     

    polarbearpalaver.blogspot.com/2011/06/blacklist-of-active-know

     


    June 30, 2011 ...pfren. Panayotis Frendzas, retired IM Big bragger and chess.com forum troll. Promoter of LSS chess server and computer-assisted correspondence chess.”

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #66

    chesshole

    AdorableMogwai wrote:
    sloughterchess wrote:

    I understand that you are a mid-level professional who is fish-food for GM's who is enamored of his own brilliance with precious little else. I am reminded of a comment by Wilhelm Steinitz. When a spectator said to him, "Herr Steinitiz. I don't understand your move." Steinitz replied, "Have you ever seen a monkey play with a watch?"

    Go play with a watch.

    You should not insult Pfren like this. First off your trolling insult isn't true. Secondly, though he presents a gruff and cynical exterior, in reality Pfren is very sensitive and your insults hurt him dearly.

    lol good one

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #67

    Irontiger

    sloughterchess wrote:
    pfren wrote:
    sloughterchess wrote:
    And your "literate" accomplishments are???

    Certainly way most important that yours.

    Won't bother mentioning them... Google it, sir.

    At your suggestion I googled your name. This is what I found:

     

    “Polar bear palaver: Black list of known chess cheaters”

     

    polarbearpalaver.blogspot.com/2011/06/blacklist-of-active-know

     


    June 30, 2011 ...pfren. Panayotis Frendzas, retired IM Big bragger and chess.com forum troll. Promoter of LSS chess server and computer-assisted correspondence chess.”

    A bit more research would have you led to some forums suggesting that pfren used computers in centaur chess (which is legal, even if Polar-Bear does not like this form of play), and the corresponding games were used as "proof" of pfren's "cheating".

     

    Your insistance to claim you know personally a lot of GMs is quite annoying ; frankly, few believe you, and less care.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #69

    sloughterchess

    A relatively unknown variation of the Fried Liver is 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Ncb4 9.Bb3!? c6 10.a3 Na6 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.d4 Be7 (exd4? 13.Bf4 +/-) 13.O-O Rf8 14.Qg3?! (Qe4 Qd6 15.dxe5 Qxe5 16.Bxd5+ Kd6 17.Bxb7 Bxb7 18.Qxb7 Nc5 =) Rf5 15.Qxg7 Bf6! 16.Qxh7 Qh8 17.Qxh8 Bxh8 18.dxe5 Rxe5 19.Be3 b6 20.Rad1 Bb7 21.Rfe1 Kf7 22.c4 Nc7 =/+ Black will use his extra piece to fix White's Kingside pawns. In a Centaur game, Black would win this consistently.

     

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #70

    richie_and_oprah

    im pfren contributes a lot of interesting things and i find him to be one of the more sincere and intellectually generous ranked players here


    otoh, the op seems to think he keeps reinventing the wheel and has also managed to alienate himself from a number of websites due to the detached, ignorant and unwarranted hubris he brings to the forums coupled with a level of obsessive myopea that is rarely seen in public these days



     


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