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Is the Torre Attack a weak opening?


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #1

    riuryK

    I was thinking about introducing this opening in my repertoire, and then I start searching for some more information. Well, the oppinions I've found differ a lot from each other. Some say it's a very respected opening even among GM and a dangerous weapon, whereas some other say it's no problem for black to equalize (I think this latter was a book review at Jeremy Silman's website).

    I've just played the Torre very few times, but I've won all of the few games I've played with it in such a crushing way that I'm start thinking that maybe it's not that easy for black to equalize as I've read. Or at least maybe not at this non-GM level.

    What do you think of this opening, and what experience do you have?

    Thanks a lot in advance.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #2

    yorugua

    There are two aspects to consider when answering this question:

    1) It is true, Black can equalize, so for masters, this is not really a great choice, unless you are the kind of player that just wants to have an equal position with little chance of losing and grind out the game to see if you can win it at some point. This makes it a very unattractive opening for masters.

    2) Among amateurs, it is likely that the person playing black is not very familiar with this opening and as a result will not know how to go about equalizing. So if you know the system much better than your opponent you have a definite edge, no matter what theory says.

     

    The issue with starting to play the Torre is that as you go up in class, you are going to start seeing that players do know how to equalize and therefore, if you want to play for an advantage with white, you are going to have to learn a whole new system at that point. 

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #3

    riuryK

    Thanks a lot for your useful answer! I think you're right. As a surprise weapon it may be OK, but as I face stronger oppones I would play it less and less, so I'd better not start with it.

    Regards.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #4

    yorugua

    I guess it depends on what rating range you are talking about. 1800+ will probably find the common sense moves, but below that, black is likely to go astray.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #5

    JG27Pyth

    riuryK wrote:

    I was thinking about introducing this opening in my repertoire, and then I start searching for some more information. Well, the oppinions I've found differ a lot from each other. Some say it's a very respected opening even among GM and a dangerous weapon, whereas some other say it's no problem for black to equalize (I think this latter was a book review at Jeremy Silman's website).

    I've just played the Torre very few times, but I've won all of the few games I've played with it in such a crushing way that I'm start thinking that maybe it's not that easy for black to equalize as I've read. Or at least maybe not at this non-GM level.

    What do you think of this opening, and what experience do you have?

    Thanks a lot in advance.


    If you understand and are comfortable with the postions you end up in, then you'll play that opening strong. For practical results the Torre opening will work for you for a long time.

    The Torre system possibly isn't great for the overall growth of your game if used to run and hide from opening study. It can be a bit of a crutch.

    I wouldn't drop the Torre from your repertoire -- hell you say you've been crushing people -- why change?! ... but don't make it your only opening as White, don't make it your excuse to not ever play some center & space and initiative grabbing 1.e4 or 1.d4 ...2.c4 openings... yes, a truly prepared 1.e4 or 1.d4... 2.c4 repertoire is an huge project -- and there's no avoiding occassionally getting into trouble early, even losing some games right out of the opening ... but you'll also win some games right out of the opening, and you'll develop a taste for the early initiative that you won't get playing Torre only.

    *EDIT* LOL. I think this is a fantastic response to your question if only I was talking about the right opening:  I was thinking Colle system, not Torre attack! I don't know a damn thing about the Torre attack :)

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #6

    riuryK

    Hehehe. No problem. Your reply was very helpful, anyway, since that idea can be applicable to any opening.

    Just for your info, the Torre set-up is the same than the Colle, but in the former the dark-squared bishop stays out of the pawn chain. In other words white plays Bg5 before playing d3.

    Thanks.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #7

    Sokrates1984

    Many strong players included players +1800 me included just play a position. I like endgames.. and often win equal endgames. So I just play. A equal maneuvering position is what I aim for.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #8

    rdecredico

    Its certainly not ambitious or critical but it does pose lots of issues for pragmatic play.

    In a chess world in which most players below 2000 cannot really exploit a subtle minor opening advantage to begin with, its a viable weapon.

    Laughing 

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #9

    TheGreatOogieBoogie

    No and here's why:

    1.The main task of an opening is:

    a.Get the pieces out

    b.Castle

    c.Connect the rooks (by moving the queens somewhere)

    Notice how I don't mention a center because controlling the center is just a natural consequence of the principle of maximum activity. 

    The Torre Attack accomplishes these opening tasks.

    2.There's transposition potential into a Veresov.  A book is named, "A Ferocious Opening Repertoire for White" that teaches the Veresov.  Flexibility has to account for something.  One can even play c4 to enter a mainline that's to their tastes at some point. 

    3.Torre defeated Emmanuel Lasker with it.  Then agian Barnes is said to have defeated Morphy with 1...f6? and Owen defeated Morphy with 1...b6?! and Fischer drew against 1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,f6? 3.Nxe5,Qe7 in a simul so that might not be saying much. 


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