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King's Gambit A Challenge From Ponz


  • 7 months ago · Quote · #301

    jetfighter13

    ponz111 wrote:
    MichaelPorcelli wrote:
    pfren wrote:

    Well, you can literally find dozens of variations in the King's Gambit where Black is comfortably equal. The real task is finding something where Black can have a meaningful positional advantage. So far, I have found nothing- but the closest candidate is the Modern Defence 1.e4 e5 2.f4?! d5 (2...ef4 3.Nf3 d5 etc) 3.de5 ef4! and so on. This is also equal, but it does require great accuracy by white.

    I play the kings gambit otb at times, at my level would you say this is still dubius? My results are fine with it thus far

    No particular reason not to play the Kings Gambit as White.  However, I would suggest you do not play this line: 1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Bc4 because of the defense starting with 3. Bc4  Nc6  [as per many pages in the book by Shaw]

    While I doubt its a true refutation, it does require white to be extremely accurate, and honestly I think his analysis if pretty darn good on it so I won't argue with him on that point too much.

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #302

    ponz111

    The line 1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Bc4  is not "refuted" in that White should lose.  The line is just not a great line for White as very often Black can get a slight advantage and [as jetfighter 13 mentions--White has to be extremely accurate to avoid falling into a losing position]

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #303

    jetfighter13

    ponz111 wrote:

    The line 1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Bc4  is not "refuted" in that White should lose.  The line is just not a great line for White as very often Black can get a slight advantage and [as jetfighter 13 mentions--White has to be extremely accurate to avoid falling into a losing position]

    yes that is true, but black also has to be careful, eg the two Short-Kasparov Games I listed in my research thread on the KG.

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #305

    ponz111

    thanks roi  I think I will "retire" from these exhibitions.  The other one was when I played the black side of the Ponziani [my favorite opening].

    I am glad you did not beat me or I would have had to give one of my poems!

    Right now my score is 5 wins and 2 draws but here is the poem anyway!

    The old gray ponz, he ain't what he used to be

    ain't what he used to be--ain't what he used to be

     

    He thought he would make like a bandit

    and take on the Kings Gambit

     

    He would grab the pawn

    and his competence add on

    to what end? A game drawn?

     

    He had delusions of grandeur

    that his play as a centaur

     

    would run up a big score

     but his play was so poor

     

     he could use a public defender

     

    In this kind of chess

    he must confess

    he was not a success...

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #306

    ponz111

    Another result   ChessKingdreamer  1/2  ponz111 1/2

    It turns out that [by mistake} this was set up as a rated game.  When this was discovered I contacted staff and he suggested to make the game a draw and then we would have the option of playing an unrated centaur game from the current postion.

    My communications with ChessKingDreamer were not clear. In any event I  I made my 16th move and offtered a draw and he accepted which I think was a fair result.  He is the 2nd person not to lose to this sequence of moves:  1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf5  3. Nf3  g5

    So 4 wins with this variation and 2 draws but oe game left with the variation.

    Also, Luft Waffles drew against 1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Nf3  d5  

    There was one game with 1. e4  e5 2. f4  exf4  3. Bc4 where I gained only a very slight advantage but eventually won.

    Here is the game with ChessKingdreamer vs ponz111



  • 6 months ago · Quote · #307

    ponz111

    One game left and here are the moves so far:

    RRM888 vs ponz111



  • 6 months ago · Quote · #308

    ponz111

    Will have more comments when this last game is finished.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #309

    ponz111

    This Challenge to the King's Gambit is now over.  I played Black in all games and chess engines were allowed and encouraged.  Thus is was "Centaur Chess"

    Final score  Ponz111 won 4 games    drew  3 games with no losses.

    Here is the last game, just finished:

    RRM888  vs ponz111

    Cannot give the moves now but will do so later.

    Here are results per variation

    1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Nf3  d5  game eventually drawn LuftWaffles White

     

    1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Bc4  Nc6 4. d4  Nf6   This game Black had a very slight advantage for a long time.  Finally Black got a good advantage and White lost on time.  There was plenty of play left at the end.

     

    Here is the line most often played:

    1. 1. e4  e5  2. f4  exf4  3. Nf3  g4  4. h4   g4  5. Ne5  Qe7!  in this line Black scored 3 wins and 1 draw.  Chess King Dreamer did draw against this line.

    This line was played in the last game which I will give later when my internet working better.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #310

    SocialPanda

    Good job Ponzi!

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #311

    ponz111

    TY Hopefully this will contribute to the theory of how to play against the King's Gambit.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #312

    learningthemoves

    Congratulations!

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #313

    ponz111

    Here is the last and 7th game of this King's Gambit Challenge

    RM888 vs ponz111



  • 5 months ago · Quote · #314

    TitanCG

    Great job. 


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