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Well, you can literally find dozens of variations in the King's Gambit where Black is comfortably equal. The real task is finding something where Black can have a meaningful positional advantage. So far, I have found nothing- but the closest candidate is the Modern Defence 1.e4 e5 2.f4?! d5 (2...ef4 3.Nf3 d5 etc) 3.de5 ef4! and so on. This is also equal, but it does require great accuracy by white.
I play the kings gambit otb at times, at my level would you say this is still dubius? My results are fine with it thus far
No particular reason not to play the Kings Gambit as White. However, I would suggest you do not play this line: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 because of the defense starting with 3. Bc4 Nc6 [as per many pages in the book by Shaw]
While I doubt its a true refutation, it does require white to be extremely accurate, and honestly I think his analysis if pretty darn good on it so I won't argue with him on that point too much.
The line 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 is not "refuted" in that White should lose. The line is just not a great line for White as very often Black can get a slight advantage and [as jetfighter 13 mentions--White has to be extremely accurate to avoid falling into a losing position]
yes that is true, but black also has to be careful, eg the two Short-Kasparov Games I listed in my research thread on the KG.
To be honest, I never bothered to check Shaw's analysis. 3.Bc4?! d5! is good enough for me: white has to surrender the bishop pair that early for no structural compensation after 4.Bxd5 Nf6, and 4.ed5? Qh4+ is the famous game J. Polgar- Topalov, where Topa blundered and lost in a completely winning position.
3.Bc4 is a secondrate move- end of story.
thanks roi I think I will "retire" from these exhibitions. The other one was when I played the black side of the Ponziani [my favorite opening].
I am glad you did not beat me or I would have had to give one of my poems!
Right now my score is 5 wins and 2 draws but here is the poem anyway!
The old gray ponz, he ain't what he used to be
ain't what he used to be--ain't what he used to be
He thought he would make like a bandit
and take on the Kings Gambit
He would grab the pawn
and his competence add on
to what end? A game drawn?
He had delusions of grandeur
that his play as a centaur
would run up a big score
but his play was so poor
he could use a public defender
In this kind of chess
he must confess
he was not a success...
Another result ChessKingdreamer 1/2 ponz111 1/2
It turns out that [by mistake} this was set up as a rated game. When this was discovered I contacted staff and he suggested to make the game a draw and then we would have the option of playing an unrated centaur game from the current postion.
My communications with ChessKingDreamer were not clear. In any event I I made my 16th move and offtered a draw and he accepted which I think was a fair result. He is the 2nd person not to lose to this sequence of moves: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf5 3. Nf3 g5
So 4 wins with this variation and 2 draws but oe game left with the variation.
Also, Luft Waffles drew against 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d5
There was one game with 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 where I gained only a very slight advantage but eventually won.
Here is the game with ChessKingdreamer vs ponz111
One game left and here are the moves so far:
RRM888 vs ponz111
Will have more comments when this last game is finished.
This Challenge to the King's Gambit is now over. I played Black in all games and chess engines were allowed and encouraged. Thus is was "Centaur Chess"
Final score Ponz111 won 4 games drew 3 games with no losses.
Here is the last game, just finished:
RRM888 vs ponz111
Cannot give the moves now but will do so later.
Here are results per variation
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d5 game eventually drawn LuftWaffles White
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Nc6 4. d4 Nf6 This game Black had a very slight advantage for a long time. Finally Black got a good advantage and White lost on time. There was plenty of play left at the end.
Here is the line most often played:
1. 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g4 4. h4 g4 5. Ne5 Qe7! in this line Black scored 3 wins and 1 draw. Chess King Dreamer did draw against this line.
This line was played in the last game which I will give later when my internet working better.
Good job Ponzi!
TY Hopefully this will contribute to the theory of how to play against the King's Gambit.
Here is the last and 7th game of this King's Gambit Challenge
RM888 vs ponz111
7/26/2014 - Saonina-Tjekova 1980
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