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King's Gambit a good opening?


  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1321

    ponz111

    I would define "sound" as any opening [or gambit] where the other side cannot win with perfect play. 

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1322

    Hadron

    Depends how define "perfect play", I guess?....Your position is utterly subjective.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1323

    EvgeniyZh

    Well perfect play is making each time a move which gives you a fastest win in the won position and slowest draw/lose in the lost one

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1324

    ponz111

    HolyKing wrote:

    I too like playing against 3....g5. I ve won all games against it.

    good for you. And how many games and against what competition?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1325

    BMeck

    I believe "sound" as a simple meaning... it is an opening that does not give a serious advantage to your opponent

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1326

    ponz111

    BMeck wrote:

    I believe "sound" as a simple meaning... it is an opening that does not give a serious advantage to your opponent

    Your definition of "sound" is reasonable. However, there are many definitions of a "sound" chess opening. Best when using the word "sound" to give the particular definition you are using. Otherwise you will be talking past each other.

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #1327

    Jamalov

    the king's gambit lines should be studied so that one knows how to play against it but i don't think it should be played. 

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2415203

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #1328

    BMeck

    Jamalov wrote:

    the king's gambit lines should be studied so that one knows how to play against it but i don't think it should be played. 

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2415203

    You cannot use engine play as a reason not to play an opening. That paper made the Caro look horrible when it is general consensus that it is a solid opening. Above all else, all openings are playable up until about 1900 in my opinion.

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #1330

    kaynight

    Within reason, the first few moves do not gain advantage regardless.

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1331

    SK042

    king gambit good for white

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1332

    ponz111

    The Kings Gambit, like most well known openings, leads to a draw with best play by both sides. 

    Black, [if he knows what he is doing] will get a slight advantage out of the opening but White [if he a strong enough player] will eventually equalize and the game will end in a draw if both sides do not make a mistake.

    Many top players will not play the Kings Gambit as White as they believe either that Black can equalize rather easily or that Black has a slight advantage from the opening with 3. ... g5!

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1333

    BMeck

    ponz111 wrote:

    The Kings Gambit, like most well known openings, leads to a draw with best play by both sides. 

    Black, [if he knows what he is doing] will get a slight advantage out of the opening but White [if he a strong enough player] will eventually equalize and the game will end in a draw if both sides do not make a mistake.

    Many top players will not play the Kings Gambit as White as they believe either that Black can equalize rather easily or that Black has a slight advantage from the opening with 3. ... g5!

    That is exactly how I feel. It isnt played because it is unsafe and their are better options. It puts more pressure on the white player to not make a mistake

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1334

    The_Vision

    I think there are a couple reasons why the KG is not played much at the highest levels.  First, most GM's tend to play fairly cautiously.  They have reputations to maintain and most would usually rather draw than risk losing a game, especially in a tournament and especially to a lower rated player.  The KG is a risky opening.  It's risky for White, but it's also risky for Black.  It's an opening for aggressive players who don't mind walking the tight rope and taking a risk to win.

    The other main factor I think is that most GM's play the Sicilian nowadays in response to 1.e4, so if white intends to play the KG, he often won't have the opportunity.

    Having said that, several noted GM's have made it part of the repertoire, including Bronstein and Spassky and more recently, Joe Gallagher,
    Hikaru Nakamura and Alexei Fedorov.

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1335

    Hadron

    Erring on the side of caution, I would say those who claim an opening is unplayable and or unsound based soley upon a lack of play at Grandmaster level either don't under Grandmaster level play (of which, I think the above post by the Vision says it all) and or are quite easily fooled into believing that what is not played at GM level should not be played at any level...My Golly gosh,  a chess playing life full of games with Caro's and Berlin variations of the Lopez..ZZZZzzzzZZZZZ....what a boring thought...and people wonder why the King's Gumboot remains so popular even if it is so risking, unsound and heaven forbid as the tin foil hat nutter brigade claim, refuted?

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1336

    TitanCG

    I think it's just that Black has too many options against the KG on top of accepting it and it is very risky. I don't know if it's even played in rapid games anymore. Another issue is that there are a lot of other ways that White can get very active play without that sort of risk. 

    I remember Nakamura playing the English of all things when he needed a win against Giri and got a miniature against him. The opening went: 


    But anyway those points are trivial to most players anyway as the only real risk is not understanding White's compensation and drifting into a worse position.

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1337

    The_Vision

    Here's an interesting game I stumbled on today.  I forgot to mention Alexander Morozevich in my list of GM's who sometimes play the KG.



  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1338

    maskedbishop

    > remember Nakamura playing the English of all things when he needed a win against Giri and got a miniature against him.<

    That game was drawn after 39 moves. What miniature?

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1339

    JGambit

    If by good you mean not absolutly lost on move three then yes.

    If by good you mean good then the ruy lopez and queens gambit are what you are looking for

  • 7 months ago · Quote · #1340

    TitanCG

    maskedbishop wrote:

    > remember Nakamura playing the English of all things when he needed a win against Giri and got a miniature against him.<

    That game was drawn after 39 moves. What miniature?

    Oops... Must've been someone else... Sealed


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