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Hello, I played a game in a tournament where I faced Bayonet attack on my King's Indian. I played 10...h6, and after the game, my oponent told me it was a novelty and is unsound. I would like to ask you all if it is actually unsound or playable.
Here is the game, for those who are interested
I don't know why, but I always face the Bayonet when I play King's Indian defense and if I play 10...f5, my opponent usually go 11.Ng5, and the knight ends up on e6 which is really annoying for me. This is why I thought of 10...h6.
i think 10...h6 is very interesting... idea ...f5 and Nhf6 is a good plan. If 11.Nd2 Nf4 and it is an interesting game. The N on f4 may make the idea of ...f5 a bit more awkward though, but an alternative plan of playing ...c6 and a5 may be acceptable. If ...f5 anyway, with a knight on f4, there is the idea of ...fe and Nf5
I think it is somewhat unsound, as the pawn is not doing much there.
Also, it is going to move to h5 eventually, so I see it as a waste of a move.
Maybe 13. f3 instead of Bf3?
This would allow Nc4, cxd6, c6, Bd2 (if Black doesn't play f4, than Bf2 is good), and even though I am a KID player, I don't like Black's position much.
However, you played well, so kudos for the rest of the game.
Well, to be 'unsound' in this position you've got to be talking about a move like ..g5 or ..Nxd5. It's quite a reasonable move and has been played many times.
Arguments for this move include that Ng5 is no longer possible, and ..h6 supports ..g5.
Arguments against this move: 1) One normally thinks of the Mar del Plata as a race variation and ..h6 is a slow move. Normally Black can play ..h5 in one move. 2) Ng5-e6 is double-edged and not necessarily something Black needs to prevent. 3) 11.Nd2 more or less forces ..Nf4 and a N on f4 prevents ..f5-f4.
Here's a top level encounter, where White's strategy was to not move any of the kingside pawns and used the e4 square well:
Yes in my database the "unsound novelty" has been played 193 times, and by several FIDE 2700+
Thank you for all the inputs
I thought for a while on deciding between 12...Nf4 or 12...Nhf6 but I was scared of White going Bf1 and g3, which would kick my knight away to an inferior square.
I've never really looked into playing a5 as black, but since it is a race game, I don't think it helps Black's attack.
Funny how often the people who declare that some move or other is unsound end up losing to it.
Also not sure how you could know that a novelty was unsound...
Prefer 10...a5 to 10...h6. By waiting with f5, gives white a few issues keeping option Nf3-g5-e6 and keeping his queenside flexible. The f5 break is still there for later, and a5 slows down queenside attack. Its just a preference though don't think can prove one move better than another at this stage of game.
Does it matter if its unsound? If people can't refute it over the board the word unsound is pretty meaningless.
I like the move 10. ... h6. My main repertoire choice has been 10. ... f5, but I like this waiting move.
h6 isn't a novelty. White plays it and stop Ng5, knight then to e6. After Bxe6 dxe6, it is very difficult for black to get the pawn on e6
. By the time white can improve his position.
Yes, well there 11...f4 is a classic bad move. It's a standard plan when centre is completely blocked to start kingside pawn storm, but in situation after ne6 etc, the centre is open , and playing f4 leaves black with no counterplay.
Are you kidding me, Hector? You necro'd an 8 month old thread so that you could advertise one of your groups??
Yes, I did Green. Why is that so bad? This site gets bombarded with hundreds of ads for non-related chess stuff all the time. Why would I hold back from offering others the opportunity to join a group and improve/learn through Vote Chess, forums, and other chess related activities in a particular opening? You have been in my groups before. I take pride in organizing them well and I work very hard for them to function properly. If you don't want to join them that's fine, but don't deny others the opportunity to choose either.
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