Latvian Revenge

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25th May 2008, 11:48am
#1
by Gambitking
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25th May 2008, 12:20pm
#2
by KillaBeez
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Could you please put this in algebraic notation.  I can barely register the moves.
25th May 2008, 02:26pm
#3
by Gambitking
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Sorry... I guess I'm just too old school for you. I favour descriptive notation almost religiously :-) ... Anyways, I guess it should be something like this:

[Event "uChess rated"]

[Site "www.uchess.com"]

[Date "2008.5.25"]

[Round "?"]

[White "blacktoothgrin"]

[Black "gambitking"]

[Result "0-1"]

 

1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 f7-f5 3. e4xf5 Bf8-c5 4. Nf3xe5 Bc5xf2 5. Ke1xf2 Qd8-h4 6. g2-g3 Qh4-d4 7. Kf2-g2 Qd4-e4 8. Kg2-g1 Qe4xe5 9. Qd1-f3 Ng8-h6 10. g3-g4 O-O 11. Nb1-c3 Nb8-c6 12. d2-d3 Nc6-d4 13. Qf3-e4 Qe5-c5 0-1

 

 However, this was a bad example as white blocked the check with a pawn and ended up losing his knight early, and never really had a chance...

The Gambit King


27th May 2008, 10:29pm
#4
by Gambitking
State line United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 588
Recently, I sat at my chessboard and spent a lot of time analysing the line for the Latvian Gambit I just suggested (3. ...B-QB4) unfortunately, it seemed that this variation was cooked. I realised that instead of taking the pawn, white could check with the queen like so:

i.                    P-K4           P-K4

ii.                  Kt-KB3       P-KB4

iii.                KtxP           B-QB4

iv.                 Q-KR5 ch.  P-KKt3  *

v.                   KtxP           Kt-KB3

vi.                 QxPKB5

*(iv. …K-KB1 v. Q-KB7 mate, iv. …K-K2 v. Q-KKt5 ch. K-K1 vi. QxQ ch. KxQ Kt-KB7 ch. 1-0)

In this position (arrived at by several moves that are absolutely forced for black), taking the knight and then letting the queen take your only attacking piece looks like a mistake, so I tried:

vi.                                                                               …P-Q4

vii.                  Q-K5 ch.                K-KB2

viii.                KtxR                       QxKt

ix.                 QxPQB7 ch.           Kt-Q2  

Where after PxP KtxP the queen will only have two safe places and will be the only white piece developed. But white will be ahead the equivalent of two minor pieces! Finding compensation for black in this position was hard. Eventually I reached this position, however, which shows just how well the pieces can cooperate together. (Unfortunately, although I've come close, I couldn't recreate the moves creating the position, since I didn't write them down at the time and was counting on being able to recreate it from scratch--a bad habit). However, I'm not sure white can't avoid this position; here it is anyway:

(Position 1) 

Here it seems that Black has the game won. The white queen has no safe spot to check on, and if white stops the checkmate threat by R-K1, then Kt-KB7 is checkmate. Unfortunately, even in this position, White has a tactical shot:

i.                     Q-K6 ch. !!   K-KKt4  *             **           ***

 

ii.                   QxB ch. !!    QxQ       ****

 

iii.                  R-KKt1

 

*             Where the king goes is not really important

**           i. …BxQ? ii. Kt-KB4 ch. 1-0

***        i. …Kt-KB3 ii. R-K1

****     ii. …KxQ doesn’t change matters

So, spectacularly, this variation seems to have been 'cooked' (although I will admit your opponent might not find the last move that I outlined). But I knew there had to be a way. iii. ...B-QB4 had to be the right move. It was too awesome not to be. So I then carefully went over the analysis and realised that I'd missed a move that immediately equalises (at least). After:

i.                    P-K4           P-K4

ii.                  Kt-KB3       P-KB4

iii.                KtxP           B-QB4

iv.                 Q-KR5 ch.  P-KKt3  *

v.                   KtxP           Kt-KB3

vi.                 QxPKB5

vi. ...P-Q4?! is probably a mistake, as previously outlined. Better is vi. ...P-Q3! which covers the checking square. Hence the following game should ensue:

(Game 2)

So it turns out that not only is the Latvian Gambit upheld, rising like a phoenix from the ashes, but that we have a definitive answer (one with many forced moves, allbeit) to the queen check on the third move. If only there can be an answer for the bishop move, then you could practically force your opponent to take the second pawn and initiate the bishop sacrifice like I outlined in 'Latvian Revenge'. But this line should definitely help Latvian Gambit players!

 


By the way, go to http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/latvian-gambit to see the first position (Position 1) and the second diagramme, a game (Game 2). Isn't it ironic that in both positions, R-KKt1 turned out to be the winning move for both sides? Descriptive notation is awesome! ROFL

The Gambit King


2nd June 2008, 09:27am
#5
by normajeanyates
london [often in calcutta india] England
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2597

Thanks for putting it in descriptive - what a refeshing change! And thanks for the  greco countergambit notes also.

[For my personal use I use descriptive AND refuse to call the greco countergambit the latvian! while communicating I always say "the greco" or "the greco counter-gambit" or "the greco counter-gambit aka the latvian gambit"]

 I refuse to allow myself to forego the advantages of descriptive. I can read and write algebraic, though while writing algebraic i make mistakes so have to proofread the whole thing ...


2nd June 2008, 10:53am
#6
by MsCloyescapade
California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 573
does anybody know the eco for the latvian gambit?
2nd June 2008, 11:04am
#7
by farbror
Uppsala Sweden
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 2420

 

C40?? Or am I confused (often the case!)?


2nd June 2008, 11:11am
#8
by normajeanyates
london [often in calcutta india] England
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2597

yes and no - C40 includes the greco (latvian) but of lot of simply unsound defences like the elephant gambit are also C40.

 


2nd June 2008, 12:46pm
#9
by Gambitking
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Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 588

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