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I made this opening up myself, now i am not sure if its good, and i dont know what to call it.
Maybe you could call it the Ruy Lopez Caro Variation?
Yeah, it is Lopez-ish...well done!
Looks like a mix between the archangel and schliemman defenses. Interesting idea, most likely unsound though.
What's the problem with 9.Qh5+ ?
BattleManager, I think im bad after your move, so maybe 7...e4 8.Re1 8...d5 or maybe 7...Qf3
One of the ideas behind the usual 3...f5 schielmann defense is that the "spanish" bishop is in a certain sense misplaced after f5 because he would now like to be on the a2-g8 diagonal to prevent B from castling. In your variation f5 is played when the bishop is on b3, and as a consequence i think that the move is dubious, a sort of improved schielmann for W.Also the fact that W has already castled seems to favour tha attacker since B king will come under immdiate pressure.
In fact it's not easy to find a good follow-up for B. 7.exf5 Nd4? in the sample game should have lost almost on the spot. 7...d4?! 8.Nxe5 Nxe5 9.Re1 looks also very strong. 7...Nf6 is the most reasonable move, but i can't see a good response to 8.d4. In every variation the B king is very exposed. Moreover W isn't forced at all to play exe4, d3 and Nc3 being other good-looking alternatives.
In conclusion i don't like the line for B, but it's always nice to evauate new moves and analyze new ideas, so thanks for sharing anyway!
Spanish Game, Latvian Variation?
Sorry, i missed the two suggestions in post #6. In post #7 i considered only 7...Nd4?,7...d5 and 7...Nf6.
7...e4?! looks bad to me. B is just overextending his centre and falling further behind in deveopment. After 8.Re1 d5 (Nf6 is similar) the simple 9.d3 destroys black centre.
7...Qf6!? might be the best try, preparing 0-0-0. I will analyze a bit and post later. I remain skeptical since for the reasons explained in post 7 I think the variation is dubious, but the positions are fun to anlayze, so i don't mind working a bit on the variation!
Im sorry to say, but no move in this sample game is new and can can be claimed as your own. The beginning is just classic Ruy Lopez/ Spanish Opening and the f5 which is not common has been played before. Also, to my understanding, in the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer, one of the games seen uses the f5 shown by black. I am not sure what this variation is called but it most likely has a name already.
Ruy Lopez Caro variation. And yeah, Fischer has played game with a similar position.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 is quite common, and 3...a6 4.Ba4 b5!?(this is the caro variation) 5.Bb3 not very common but certainly not new. But the "new opening" is defined by the move 6...f5?!. You can call it a" new subvariation of the caro" if you prefer but anyway i doubt the move ever occourred in a master game(quite possibly it occourred before in an amateur game). Definitely not in a game with Fisher playing black . We can probably call it the "segway123 variation of the caro defence to the ruy lopez".
bresando, on post nine. I think im too attached to having the bishops have a direct attack at blacks king. that was my idea in the first place, to have bishops eyeing down the white king and for the queen to have easy access to join the attack. thank you everybody for posting!
after analysis with rybka I found an interasting line with 7...Qf6.
Ribka prefers 8.Re1? i would have tought 8.d3 more accurate, does ribka find something better than 8...h6?
Anyway remember that exf5 is only one of W possibilities, i think that if surprised OTB as W i would play d3 instead, which also looks quite promising. And there's also Nc3 to consider.
let me remind you that while the fianchetto is taking place, White has a chance to completely wipe out that sequence by locking the center or by doing a mass trade. White could have started an immediate attack on Black with Ng5 instead of 0-0.
Uh? Can you please explain more clearly? W can't do anything while the enlarged fianchetto is taking place, since his bishop is under attack, and 6.Ng5?? instead of 0-0(the most common move) just blunders a piece.
Never mind, I didn't look correctly and didn't see the capture of the Knight with Black's Queen. Yet nevertheless White still can do things instead of 6. 0-0 such as 6. d3, Nc3, even c3 which would threaten d4 after the trade of exf5 and stop Nd4.
6.0-0 is the most played and most flexible move, the alternatives you mention are very playable but more committal. More relevant to the topic would be to analyze 7.d3 and Nc3 which are probably no less unpleasant to face than 7.exf4.
I was suprised by rybka saying 8.Re1 was better as well bresando. Rybka also said taking was the best move. However it did not say 9.d3 was the best move I just thought it was the most logical move before rybka said 9.a4 was the best. I do think I will look into 7.d3 and Nc3 sometime
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