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New opening (well at least i think)


  • 15 months ago · Quote · #1

    bongcloudftw

    Obviously new openings created by random noobs like me won't be fully sound but here it is.

    1. e4 c6 2. c4 c5!?

    well hopefully no one finds a huge problem with it within 20 mins lol

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #2

    chessterd5

    Hello, very interesting study but it shows alot of characteristics of a najdorf sicillian w/ d6 but it also has alot in common w/ a symmetrical English even more so if white plays d3. It's a nice look into the idea of transposition. This is reason to study openings in general so through the course of a game you have an idea of the structures that arise & you have a reasonable undertsanding of what's on the board or where the position will be going. Although after saying all this I'll probably misplay my own advce and blunder horribely. I love chess!

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #3

    plutonia

    after 5.Nxd4 black has reached a common position...with one less move.

    It makes no sense to play c6 and c5 later, while you could have the position after 5.Nxd4 with a useful move already in, such as d6.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #4

    bongcloudftw

    the c4 tempo may not necessarily be a good thing for white, as posted in my previous comment. this allows nd4 for black later on, with an equally good square as nd5. also, white can't undermine the b5 pawn since black isn't going to play b5- instead a6 na3 nf6.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #5

    bongcloudftw

    okay, that's at least what my new 'idea' is trying to be. the c4 free tempo is to be more of a weakness than a strength.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #6

    kikvors

    d4 isn't an equally good square for black as d5 is for white, because

    1) white has d5 covered with two pawns, so an exchange on d5 won't lose a pawn, and

    2) the d-file is half open for white, so he has pressure with his heavy pieces on d4 and support to d5.

    The c4 + e4 pair is called the "Maroczy Bind" and is one of the fundamental ways for white to play in those lines of the Sicilian where black allows it, it's quite tough to play against. For instance, there are grandmasters who play 1.e4 c5 2.c4.

    Getting there as black while losing a whole move seems completely suicidal.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #7

    bongcloudftw

    1. e4 c5 2. c4 seems strange  to me. maybe there are gm's that play it, but the statistics kinda show black has a good win rate. white win 30%, black win 45%. this line seems playable for black.

    can you give me a line to your first point about the d4 square being inferior? be3 is possible, but it seems like it takes away the pressure off black. otherwise the knight will be unchallenged on d4.

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #9

    bongcloudftw

    aw shucks. opening refuted :(

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #10

    TheBlueKnight9

    bongcloudftw wrote:

    aw shucks. opening refuted :(

    It took about 8 hours to. Give us another opening to refute

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #11

    kiwi

    I'm not a staunch supporter of the idea black playing c6 to c5, if white plays 1.e4, why not respond 1. c5? 

    At move 8, black has somewhat established the najdorf sicilian variation. I would of preferred Nd6 here for white. 

    As far as new openings go, I don't know why white would allow black an opportunity to free willingly take the d pawn without sufficient compensation. 

    Black looks far more solid than white at move 12.

    IM and kikvors, have already addressed the issue with a more indepth look. 

    As a novice I would often just "make" openings up, soon realized understanding and memorizing a few book openings was the best choice. Smile

  • 15 months ago · Quote · #12

    bongcloudftw

    kiwi wrote:

    I'm not a staunch supporter of the idea black playing c6 to c5, if white plays 1.e4, why not respond 1. c5? 

    At move 8, black has somewhat established the najdorf sicilian variation. I would of preferred Nd6 here for white. 

    As far as new openings go, I don't know why white would allow black an opportunity to free willingly take the d pawn without sufficient compensation. 

    Black looks far more solid than white at move 12.

    IM and kikvors, have already addressed the issue with a more indepth look. 

    As a novice I would often just "make" openings up, soon realized understanding and memorizing a few book openings was the best choice. 

    i was trying to be innovative and prove the c4 pawn is more of a weakness than a strength. sadly for me, all it takes is one line for white that is tempo up (being mainline too) and my opening is dead.


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