15905 Players currently online!
Man vs. Machine - good luck!
Turn-based games at any time!
Vote for the best move to win!
Do you have what it takes?
Sharpen your tactical vision!
Get advice and game insights!
Learn from top players & pros!
View millions of master games!
Your virtual chess coach!
Perfect your opening moves!
Test your skills vs. computer!
Find the right private coach!
Can you solve it each day?
Bring it all together!
Beginners, start here!
Make friends & play team games!
News from the world of chess!
Search all Chess.com members!
Find local clubs & events!
Who's the best of your friends?
Read what members are saying!
I hang material too, but I atleast I know when a certain move is too much hope chess when it is played on move two
yes it does, that way I can avoid that tactic later. but if you mean opening, yeah it kind of does, say I am playing as black and you play the parham, ok so stick away from e5 for a while until you learn how to play the Qh5 positions or I just simply get better so that way I am playing 1500s who have a clue as how to develop instead of a bunch of 1200s who feel that the Four move mate is the coolest thing since sliced bread. 1... Nf6 it is
what i used there was a clever bit of Sarcasm mixed with seriousness, and a quick explanation about how I study theory, once I worked out the lines I play for about 6 moves then I break and play on my own, however as in most of the openings I play, the natural moves I play extend for something like 8 or 9 moves and I am to lazy to check
The Parham attack is aggressive, fun, unusual, and gives white attacking chances. I have stated this many times, but it goes way past the 4-move mate.
Exactly the issue. It's not at all unusual at the 1200 level. As a new player on this site, even though I'm somewhat higher rated than that, I have to face my share of 1200's to move up the ranks. If I play ...e5, the Parham and Qf6 are all I see.
So the point it, it has long ago lost its "surprise value" anywhere EXCEPT higher level chess. So rank amateurs are used to it. But anyone 1500-1600 or better finds it laughably easy to neutralize.
To get anything out of it, you HAVE to be Nakamura. But he discovered that it didn't do him any favors, either, so quickly abandoned it.
It's of no use to anybody at any level, really.
do not speak about things you do not know! they ruy lopez can take an agressive nature. Research and think before you speak gavinator
lol gavinator the ruy lopez being passive... thats the funniest thing you said since the parham is sound at master level
but I dont want to argue this with you. If you arent willing to take friendly advice from people that know more than you, then fine, your loss. im going to stop wasting my time
The Gavinator, my sarcasm was fairly evident in the my use of cliche and my cleverness was using something you didn't understand. plus I don't see it that often except OTB, where it is simple to neutralize, and get play for it, atleast its better than 1. d4
well we did, but we are too lazy to change every line we show as equal when you change what you would play there, so we abandoned it on the basis that we would never come to an agreement
A. I already said rating doesnt matter here its inaccurate and even if you are stronger than me I obviously know more than you, because of my knowledge of book openings. I dont know where you are with tactics and imbalaces, but I know those too.
B.It's not just me, most players aboout 1600 will tell you the parham is terrible. I tweeted to Dan Heisman, a world renown chess teacher and video intructor, and he replied, and I quote "Nakamura gave it up & computers give good ways to meet.[I] don't like [it]"
C.heard of the marshall attack? thats an aggressive line, but even in the closed good attacks on the king get going. here is a quote by silman, and he is trying to show how to defend against the Ruy Lopez
Nowadays, the vast majority of tournament level amateur players answer 1.e4 with the Sicilian, while a few others (who like combative chess) go for the French Defense. Then comes the Caro-Kann, which has been given the stamp of approval by players like Karpov, Anand, and (more recently) Topalov. The rest go for super sharp (but riskier) openings like the Pirc, Alekhine’s Defense, and the Center Counter. Did you notice the absence of 1…e5? While grandmasters still show their respect for 1…e5, most amateur’s avoid it because other openings (excepting the Sicilian) are, quite simply, easier to learn.
Those that toy with playing the Ruy Lopez for Black often get scared away when they realize that they also need to be ready for the Giuoco Piano, the Vienna Game, the King’s Gambit, the Bishop’s Opening, the Four Knights, etc. It does sound daunting! However, those openings can often be tamed by just a little study (Mihail Marin’s wonderful BEATING THE OPEN GAMES gives convincing answers to all the non-Lopez lines that can be thrown at you. You can see my review of that book HERE.), which then leaves them with the real job of learning how to play the black side of the Ruy.
But, why play the Ruy in the first place? It doesn’t shock and awe like Alekhine’s Defense or the Center Counter. However, unlike these popular amateur choices, the Lopez is 100% sound while the others are … I’ll be kind and use the word “problematic”. The Pirc? It’s actually quite hard to master, and takes a lot of skill to avoid being smashed by white’s advantage in space. The Caro-Kann wins by force for Black (John Watson, the famous French Defense guru, is well aware of this, but he’ll never admit it), but nobody is listening. And the Sicilian and French are very sharp openings that require a lot of theoretical knowledge – even then, you will always be walking on a razor’s edge.
The Ruy Lopez, in comparison with all of these other openings, offers a solid position, tremendous flexibility, and many lines are more conducive to understanding than to brute force memorization. In fact, the Ruy Lopez for Black can easily turn into a lifelong romance offering an opening partner that will rarely let you down (you may let it down, but the Lopez will still be waiting when your guilt fades and you once again return to it).
just saw the new comments, the parham is wonderful, great, awesome, and winning. if you plan to stay an amatuer your whole life. You will be the best at what you do: beating amatuers. We will call you the world amatuer champion. :)
Have you listened to a word Ive been saying? Ive been saying that its not all about lines, ITS ABOUT IDEAS!!!!! Please actually read what I right before you make a smart remark like that.
ANYWAY, I want to stop talking about this. If you dont want to take advice from superior players (not me specifically, but every strong player and everyone who has been telling you) then that is fine by me, I dont care if you want to stay in a rut. You obviously arent listening to me, so lets just stop this pointless arguing. I hope you have a good amatuer chess career
I know my lines, I just don't go flaunting them because as soon as I get past 6 moves I am playing on my own based on thematic knowledge, aka trade dark square bishop, exchange sac on the c file, get pawn to e5 or f5, rip open h file,
bonus points if they can guess the opening based on the themes here, then post it
Seems some confuse the existence of a model with the superiority of a model. Just because the matrix system is a way to play, doesn't say anything about whether or not it's a good or better way to play.
If you want to reduce chess to a few algorithms, chess programs have been doing that for decades. With all the time and money people like Kauffman have put into the development I don't think it's a coincidence that the matrix stuff hasn't been used. Maybe you'd like to test that for us, and show how the matrix system gives better evaluations / moves than the standard way of playing...
Because also true is different doesn't mean better either. The burden of proof is on the fringe ideas not the other way around. The standard way of playing has been tested by people for nearly a century. Alternatively, maybe you can point to some strong players today using the matrix system. Although considerably weaker than the best players, anyone around 2400-2500 would be good.
Ok, I still don't see the need for you to keep calling me an amateur. Bernard played Qh5 against everything, and he was a chess master. Just because you don't like the Parham attack doesn't mean you have the right to look down on those who play it.
Just because a person plays an idea doesn't make the idea good. The objective value of a move is entirely unrelated to who is playing it. I'm sure you and I both have played moves GMs would play (even if we didn't know it ;) The strength has to do with the position, not our fingers.
Notice Kasparov could have opened exclusively with 1.a3 and still have kept a high GM rating. Only a silly fan-boy would take that to mean 1.a3 is a good opening just because their hero plays it.
I agree, from what I've read about it, it dosen't seem stupid or bad... I don't know if it's the best way to play :) but it still makes sense.
just like the King's Gambit can't be refuted
it still isn't refuted, even BOBBY FISCHER DID NOT BELIEVE IT WAS REFUTED EVEN AFTER, I REPEAT-AFTER-, HE PUBLISHED HIS FAMOUS "BUST TO THE KING'S GAMBIT" HE LATER PLAYED IT IN MANY GAMES AND WON, WON, WITH IT, AGAINST LARRY EVANS MOST NOTABLY.
that should prove my point
I will pwn all of you with the parham so i dont want to hear this crap anymore about how it is bad. Chess principles are dumb anyway. I never studied one opening and i was 3rd in the nation in 2nd grade, was 5th grade state champion (A while ago) and i pwn all of you. Until you are around 1900-2000 you dont need to study openings, you need to learn to play well.
I pwn, jetfigher please dont pull that crap anymore.
Ah yes, the "shut up I'm better than you" defence. I thought they refuted that...
I'm not sure whether to laugh or shake my head at this thread
Can chess players have bad days?
by bjohn123 a few minutes ago
Cannot add utube videos no more!!
by ConnorMacleod_151 a few minutes ago
Stuff Non-Chess Players Say
PROPOSAL: Separate Tournament Ratings
by MJH25 3 minutes ago
Could chess.com improve computer anylizing?
by CP6033 6 minutes ago
What could black of done better
by Ziryab 8 minutes ago
I am quitting chess.
by MrDamonSmith 8 minutes ago
12/13/2013 - Back Rank Power
by franky2002 10 minutes ago
London Chess Classic - Super 16 Rapid 2013
by pdela 10 minutes ago
which mikail is better?
by pujara123 14 minutes ago
Why Join | Chess Topics |
Help & Support |
© 2013 Chess.com
• Chess - English
We are working hard to make Chess.com available in over 70 languages. Check back over the year as we develop the technology to add more, and we will try our best to notify you when your language is ready for translating!