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old benoni


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1

    Fear_ItseIf

    every week i play against a friend of mine at work and whenever im whit ehe plays the old benoni. Usually i just wing it, but can anyone give me a good alternative to the mainline which i can try today?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2

    TitanCG

    You can try 1.d4 c5 2.e4 with a Smith-Morra gambit or play 1.Nf3 before 1.d4. e.g; 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 c5 3.c4 and then you get an English. You can also try Colle/Torre setups and play c3 instead of d5.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3

    Fear_ItseIf

    interesting idea to move order him, thanks

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #4

    InfiniteFlash

    one interesting I am currently playing is 1.nf3 c5 2.d4 (most players will play cxd4 so i play it hehehehehhe), while there is no benefit towards this move order really, it gives black less options to go for a setup that would be preferable...i mean some english, morra gambit, or exchange slav may be not so appealing for many...and yeah like titan said 2..c5 3.c4 is an english that is not boring, these systems are quite playable for either side, and full of play.

    I suppose the 2.d4!? move order is less useful in that sense...because all you are doing adding the exchange slav (in my case not), and morra-gambit towards your repetoire.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #5

    InfiniteFlash

    now that i think about it more, i have to question why i even play 2.d4!?, its not the most accurate move order...

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #6

    abiogenesis23

    Which Old Benoni variation does he play? I would just aim for the Taimanov if he plays into the mainline Benoni.  Not sure if you've tried the variation against the Old Benoni, but this would be it:



  • 2 years ago · Quote · #7

    Fear_ItseIf

    My main issue with the old benoni mainline with 2.d5 is that while its faily miserable for black, its not fun for white either.


    Ive tried a bunch of weird stuff, no prep though.

    Usually in my games if i see two moves, one that cant be bad, but will lead to a very technical position, and another that is probably unsound but will lead to complications I usually pick the later.
    So ive done all kind of pawn sacs against him and king and queen side pawn storms etc just to liven it up.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #8

    kikvors

    @Randomemory: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4 doesn't even add the Morra, because of 2...cxd4 3.e4 dxe3.

    Or do you play 3.c3? Seems that would be problematic too, e.g. 3...dxc3 4.Nxc3 d5.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #9

    TitanCG

    White can play 3.Nc3 instead of c4 in that Benoni.

     



  • 2 years ago · Quote · #10

    GreenCastleBlock

    @TitanCG you are overlooking a trap:

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #11

    TitanCG

    Nice!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #12

    InfiniteFlash

    kikvors wrote:

    @Randomemory: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4 doesn't even add the Morra, because of 2...cxd4 3.e4 dxe3.

    Or do you play 3.c3? Seems that would be problematic too, e.g. 3...dxc3 4.Nxc3 d5.

    lol wth, why in the world would black give back the pawn...looks simply better for white.



  • 2 years ago · Quote · #13

    GreenCastleBlock


    zzzz

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #14

    InfiniteFlash

    GreenCastleBlock wrote:
     


    zzzz

    the slav exchange is not boring, white has many good tries, you look at a few moves like a newb, and conclude its boring, the positions may be slightly drawsih, but the play is very interesting.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #15

    benonidoni

    TitanCG wrote:

    White can play 3.Nc3 instead of c4 in that Benoni.

     

     



    That looks like a pirc structure. With 3.NC3 and ..3 g6.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #16

    GreenCastleBlock

    Randomemory wrote:

    the slav exchange is not boring, white has many good tries, you look at a few moves like a newb, and conclude its boring, the positions may be slightly drawsih, but the play is very interesting.

    I was only jokingly pointing out that Black doesn't have to go into a Smith Morra, he could do something quite different.

    You throwing around labels like 'newb' and assuming that you know what I am concluding... I wouldn't be doing that.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #17

    InfiniteFlash

    my bad then!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #18

    InfiniteFlash

    pellik wrote:

    I think the Slav exchange is boring, however it also requires a good deal of precision. That's a terribly dangerous combination.

    I never get boring positions in the exchange slav, i may get symmetrical structures, but they are not boring from my view.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #19

    kikvors

    Randomemory schreef:

    lol wth, why in the world would black give back the pawn...looks simply better for white.

    Or maybe I shouldn't post blindfold stuff to the forum...

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #20

    TetsuoShima

    my favorite quote on the Benoni, i think it was from Short but i cant remember. Benoni means son of sorrow in hebrew and who played the black side of it knows why.


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