17404 Players currently online!
Man vs. Machine - good luck!
Turn-based games at any time!
Vote for the best move to win!
Do you have what it takes?
Sharpen your tactical vision!
Get advice and game insights!
Learn from top players & pros!
View millions of master games!
Your virtual chess coach!
Perfect your opening moves!
Test your skills vs. computer!
Find the right private coach!
Can you solve it each day?
Bring it all together!
Beginners, start here!
Make friends & play team games!
News from the world of chess!
Search all Chess.com members!
Find local clubs & events!
Who's the best of your friends?
Read what members are saying!
Does anybody know what the oldest openings are/where I could find a list of them? I'm pretty sure the Ponziani ranks up there. Some other old ones might be the Spanish Game (Ruy Lopez), Italian Game, Queen's Gambit, Sicilian Defence?
Perhaps you may find this of interest: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-oldest-chess-game
And this: http://www.chesselo.com/openings/ponziani-opening.pdf
I'm sure the French defense should be on that list.
Ok, so we can add the King's Gambit, the French, and the Scandinavian. Any idea exactly how old these openings are, or maybe ranking them oldest-newest?
The French only got officially introduced in the 1834 correspondence match between London and Paris, so it's not among the oldest. The oldest known openings are probably the ones mentioned in the Gottingen manuscript, which was written in the late 15th or early 16th century.
That is very interesting. I find it hard to imagine that the first ever manuscript on chess had all those popular openings in it with the rules barely established. Obviously the openings had no names at the time. Greco made the case for 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 the best wasn't it? I thought he was the first.
The Queen's Gambit seems particularly out of place to me. It was not established at that point about the value of the centre or working to bring about an ideal centre. The mate in x moves I can believe.
The rules were in fact quite well established by then, with the changes since being minor compared to those before.
No, the openings rarely bore names in those days, that came later. But remember there weren't many books available, and not many more who could read them. Chess in Europe at the time was a game of the ruling classes. It is hardly surprising to see the first books include a section on opening ideas, even without the nomenclature.
"WCC Highlights: Anand vs. Carlsen - Games 9 & 10! with IM Danny Rensch & GM Georg Meier"
you need to remove this
by LesuhAn a few minutes ago
Muted from forums?
by Fresh_from_the_Oven a few minutes ago
House of staughton chess sets
by EscherehcsE 4 minutes ago
Ask a Question to Magnus or Vishy
by happyface79 8 minutes ago
11/22/2014 - Pinned But Still Wins
by MC-3 14 minutes ago
chess word game!
by JayBo308 15 minutes ago
ChessBazaar's 1849 Jaques Replica Chess Set
by informaticacobach29 15 minutes ago
by mroa0599 17 minutes ago
Why doesn't anyone play the Petroff Defense anymore?
by Sqod 25 minutes ago
Why would anyone play the French defense?
by chessmicky 27 minutes ago
Why Join | Chess Topics |
Help & Support |
© 2014 Chess.com
• Chess - English
We are working hard to make Chess.com available in over 70 languages. Check back over the year as we develop the technology to add more, and we will try our best to notify you when your language is ready for translating!