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I don't know about novelties, but I do play uncommon lines.
That's actually a somewhat common line.
If you are talking about uncommon lines, I play the greco attack in the italian as, for some reason, 75% of the players I face don't know how to play it. So I get games like this one. Not entirely sure if it is uncommon, but I rarely see anyone else play it.
I do not think the position is equal.Even though Qe3 seems not to be the best move as it blocks the bishop on c1. Actually the whole move order is a little doubtfull ;)
Whites play is also a lot more pleasant here. With posibilities to play on queenside and/or kingside.
@metaknight. THen again 9. .. Bf6 is much better than Ne5 and actually leads to a better game for black. But still a nice game to play :)
@moonnie yeah ik, but I still love playing that line. I have too many fond memories of beating players with it.
Ne5 is the best option. 9...Bf6 fails.
Well since 9. ... Bf6 has been the main line for many years. Why dont you humor me with some variations
Main line? This opening is hardly ever played.
You must be making a mistake.
On move 9 the bishop has to be taken and there is no bishop that can move to f6.
Yereslov, the moller attack is hardly ever played today, but has been analyzed to death in the first half of the century, and was very popular in steinitz's time. So yes, definitely there is a main line (with many branches going beyond move 20) and tons of theory.
9...Bf6 and 9...Ne5 are both perfectly ok and should lead to a somewhat better game for black. I don't think there's a definite agreement on which one is better. 9...Bf6 is maybe a bit toughter to handle, the theory is very extensive and white has some practical chances since he is usually just going all-out on the kingside (bayonet attacks with g4 and Nxh7 sacs are often on the menu).
Are we talking about my opening?
I'm talking about the line metaknight posted (9.d5 in the greco variation, known as the moller attack). moonnie certainly replyed to him (saying that Bf6 instead of Ne5 is another good move, which is true) and you replyed to moonnie, so I assumed that was the line under discussion. Looks like you misinterpreted moonnie's remark as directed toward you variation.
@moonnie yeah, 9. Bf6 is best for black. However, I personally like the positions after the main line,
A matter of taste i suppose, i don't like white's position at all. Qh5 is easily stopped with a timely g6, and black is just a few moves away from O-O-O when white's compensation for the pawn is rather hard to see.
@bresando g6 ideas can be met by bd3 followed by Bxg6 and if black recaptures, Qh5 winning the knight back. I won't deny that this line is probably unsound and with correct play black will hold most of the winning chances.
Did you computer check this?
It looks bad from black's side.
@yereslov It is the main line. I did computer check it though.
There are mainlines for everything. Some just aren't that good.
With white having a 0.50- advantage I doubt black can play a decent game.
Black really hasn't gained anything.
I prefer 9.Ne5 instead.
yereslov, it's a long standing main line (i have the position after move 17 in a 40 years book on my desk), it has no doubt been computer checked countless times in the past. It's pretty good for black.
Metaknight, I pretty much agree, i don't think it's lost or very bad for white, just black is a bit better as long as he doesn't blunder to some simple tactic. I attended a lecture where a fide master was very dismissive about white's chances in this line, but i'm sure it's ok for speed chess among players like me and you. Sometimes I play the Greco myself in 10 minutes games, but luckily my opponents always deviated early or entered the older lines where black allows the sac on h7. Even there white is praying for a perpetual with correct play, but it's tricky to handle black's position with a few minutes on the clock.
EDIT:surprised to see the computer evaluation you posted. Fritz 13 gives -0,50 or something if i remember correctly.
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