Opening repertoire

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13th December 2007, 01:42pm
#1
by Klee
Sydney Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 59

What openings do you recommend for a beginner to study and your reasons why ? Is it because a particular opening is most frequently encountered ? Versatile ? Simple to understand ?

And how he/ she goes about building his/her opening repertoire ?


13th December 2007, 02:11pm
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 2247

I cringe when beginners are told to play the Guico Piano. As Julius says, it's boring. If you want to learn to love the game, don't start with this opening. I also believe it has poor instructive value in terms of teaching you opening principles. Sure, you develop your pieces and that's good, but for crying out loud it's like each side is ignoring the other. Then you just wind up in some game with developed pieces and no conflict!

 

I would recommend that a beginner an open game -- I realize that 1. e4 e5 is often called "open game" but this is not enough to get an open game. An open game means there are pawn exchanges. Whatever you do, create conflict! 


13th December 2007, 02:39pm
#3
by Klee
Sydney Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 59

Thank you for giving your time to explain, JuliusH and Loomis.

I read somewhere in his books, Silman complained that too often people begin to learn chess with too much emphasis on the middlegame and virtually nothing at the opening and the endgame. The opening is seen as the boring bit that we need to get through to get to the exciting middlegame. The endgame is seen more as a formality or a mopping up exercise like thinking such as " if you haven't won the middlegame, you can forget winning the endgame".

 I am starting to understand that we cannot improve our chess by just learning one phase of the game - hence my post here, asking for ideas.

 And thanks JuliusH for your offer to assist with clarification. 


16th December 2007, 08:33am
#4
by Earlengray
Zagreb Croatia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 599

Here are some of my thoughts,

My experience is that in most cases you don't have time to study everything what you would like. Also, in most games played, you will probably be out of opening line in first 5 moves. So don't go for Marshall attack in Ruy Lopez because you will almost never get the chance to play it.

It is hard to recommend the opening to someone because the choice is determined by player's style of play. I recommend opening beginers to see Seirawan's book Winning chess openings. It is easy to read book which will give you necessary info about every opening. ( go to www.gigapedia.com) There you can see what openings you like and what don't. After that you should get some book about specific opening to learn more about it. There is also books that are written to  give you complete repertoire as black or white.

Also, try to play as many games as possible with your chosen openings because you will learn more through your games and mistakes then by reading some book. Play 30 min games against computer set on some position from opening, or play and analyze games  with your friend.

Finaly, I encourage you to choose solid openings. Many people try to play unusual moves to avoid theory, even if the lines are questionable. That works when you are playing chess game on tournament, but when you play online chess where your opponent has 3 days to answer your move, that is a bad strategy.  


16th December 2007, 02:47pm
#5
by Klee
Sydney Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 59

There are so many opening books out there - there is a great chance of wasting too much money - I bought a Eric Schiller - waste of time, got more confused than enligthened.

 Earlengray, thanks for the tip on Seirawan's book.


22nd December 2007, 03:01am
#6
by hicetnunc
Neuilly-sur-Seine France
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 762

Here are what I consider the top 10 reasons to pick an opening as a beginner :

 

10 - Top GMs play it, but only since they are GMs (Najdorf, 6...Ng4 variation for instance)


9 - It's the opening you want to play in 10 years


8 - You don't like this opening, but it's supposed to be a good learning tool


7 - You own a book on this opening


6 - Someone you don't know recommends it to you on a forum and his explanations makes sense to you


5 - Someone you don't know tells you it's a good opening choice on a forum and describes its experience with it as a beginner : this experience matches what you're expecting from your first opening choices (whether learning or getting loads of points, whatever)


4 - It's recommended as a good opening choice for beginners in books written by chess teachers/trainers


3 - A personal coach recommends it to you


2 - You have a friend who plays it and can explain it to you and help you improve


1 - You feel attracted to it for any personal reason (a beautiful game ?)


22nd December 2007, 03:56am
#7
by scandinaviandefense
Michigan United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 459
An opening I recommend as black is the Scandanavian, shown in my positon here: I am making a group on the Scandanavian, so keep in touch if you like what you see!
24th December 2007, 05:27am
#8
by Magicmunky
Cambridgeshire United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 89

Personally, I spent many fun hours with the Max Lange and other Italian gambit variations against the Two Knights etc. The italian game can be boring if you don't throw a grenade into it early enough.

Have you had a look at njscf.org? Pete Tamburro presents a podcast called openings for amatuers (at least he did, I've not been on playchess.com for a longtime). He has some analysis on the Max Lange as white and the Colle system.

24th December 2007, 05:46am
#9
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1736
I was told by a very strong teacher that of all the time you can spend studying chess the least productive time is spent on openings. He recommended to me that I not spend more than 20% of my chess study time on openings. He was the late IM Boris Kogan, some here may have known him.
24th December 2007, 10:39am
#10
by Fromper
Boynton Beach, FL United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 357
Loomis wrote:

I cringe when beginners are told to play the Guico Piano. As Julius says, it's boring. If you want to learn to love the game, don't start with this opening. I also believe it has poor instructive value in terms of teaching you opening principles. Sure, you develop your pieces and that's good, but for crying out loud it's like each side is ignoring the other. Then you just wind up in some game with developed pieces and no conflict!

 

I would recommend that a beginner an open game -- I realize that 1. e4 e5 is often called "open game" but this is not enough to get an open game. An open game means there are pawn exchanges. Whatever you do, create conflict! 


The Giuoco Piano is only quiet and boring if you don't play it right. Many beginners are told to play 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5, and they play those moves, and then they don't know what to do next, so it leads to the stereotypical boring games. The key is that these beginners need to be told to play a pawn break as soon as possible to make the game exciting. As white, this means 4. c3, aiming for 5. d4. Once those center pawns are traded, things get open and exciting very quickly.

 

--Fromper 


24th December 2007, 05:01pm
#11
by bobmutch
Canada
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 19

>>>Julius

>>>A beginner should stick to 1.e4 at first, and then look into 1.d4.  Another popular opening that can be learned and experimented with is the spanish (or Ruy Lopez) and the king's gambit.

 

The Spanish game has a huge book.  That is not some thing I would steer a beginner into.

I think that learning at least one main opening for white is a very good idea and how you want to play black on e4 or d4 openings.  You should learn the following on these White and Black openings.

 

1. The book on all major lines.

2. The objectives for middle game and end game.

3. Common pitfalls average club players will make in these openings and how to exploit them.

 

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24th December 2007, 05:30pm
#12
by Dutch_Defense
Cleveland, Ohio United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 430

The Dutch!!!

 1.d4 f5!!! 0-1 Laughing

24th December 2007, 05:32pm
#13
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 1175

If you are a beginner, it doesnt really matter if an opening has a huge opening book, if the moves usually make sense, because you wont be playing people who know all the moves.  I played the Ruy lopez as a beginner, indeed i still play the ruy lopez as a beginner!  It's surprisingly difficult to get a bad position out of it as white, and most of the moves make obvious sense so you dont really have to remember lines as such.  I really dont think you should just be looking to trick or trap your opponent in the opening either.  Rather than looking out for mistakes you should be just playing the board looking for good moves as they occur, not before from some book.  As a beginner you shouldnt be playing people who will go very far along recognised opening lines anyway, so a large amount of bookwork will be wasted.  The Ruy has many advantages to a beginner too, as it is really packed with useful tactics and ideas.  Things like pins, or even potential pins, king safety and the importance of castling, open files, and playing moves using the position of an opponent's weak king.  Also how to 'NOT take a piece' and instead of trading bishop for knight, using your well placed bishop against the knight to your advantage.  It's really like a self-contained chess course.  Laughing

 

I would also say the italian game is a decent starting opening, except you might get a bad impression from castling if you do it at the wrong time.   The king's gambit could be good to teach you tactics, but it would be a very steep learning curve, and might put you off chess, or possibly teach you some bad habits.  A lot of the tactics involved are quite deep, and if you dont fully understand why something is being done you can end up just giving pieces away for free...

 

 


24th December 2007, 06:05pm
#14
by bobmutch
Canada
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 19

>>>sstteevveenn 

>>>I really dont think you should just be looking to trick or trap your opponent in the opening either.

 

I don't either but you should be aware of the mistakes people will make in the openings.  This is what chess is about.  Getting a better position that the other person so a combination will appear and you will win by material or checkmate.

 

>>>Rather than looking out for mistakes you should be just playing the board looking for good moves as they occur, not before from some book.

 

That what good moves are about.  Getting a better position what the person on the other side of the board.  Good opening books will give you objects for the opening, the middle game and he end game and they will also give you pointers moves that people tend to make in the said opening and how to explote those poorer moves.

 

 

 


28th December 2007, 11:58am
#15
by Klee
Sydney Australia
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 59

Thank you everyone for your valuable advice and opinion. JuliusH, I took a look at Ruy Lopez - and I shudder. It's such a big book that it is easily the equivalent to all the material contained all the other books. I think sstteevveenn is right in that we don't play people who know all the moves and it's surprisingly difficult to get a bad position out of it as white. I think I'll give it a go and see how I fare.

Good point Chesslover96, I'll have a go at the Scandanavian too. As white, I don't know how to address it - I get thrown when the centre is fought for so early.

Bobmutch, I signed up ChessMentor two weeks before its online version ( bugger ! ) - but it has more tactics than openings.

And lastly, NM Reb - I finished reading Josh Waitzkin's The Art of Learning - and he too doesn't advocate spending too much time learning openings - he says that there is more value in learning endgames first - arrghhh!!!! only if I survive that far in a game!Laughing

Indeed chess is Life.... 

 

 

 

 

 


 

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