Philidor Counter Gambit

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19th July 2008, 08:15pm
#1
by Dmaster995
Yonkers, NY United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
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What is your opinion on the philidor counter counter gambit?

It is very tactical and if either side makes a mistake, they lose. What do you think is the best line for white to play?

21st July 2008, 06:34am
#2
by wjones4
PA United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1247

d4xe5


21st July 2008, 06:35am
#3
by wjones4
PA United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
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I personally do not like opening up my king side pawns that way until after I have castled


21st July 2008, 11:00am
#4
by chuckg99
Tampa, FL United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 114

The book way to a white advantage here is 4. de fe 5. Ng5 d5 6. e6 Nh6 7. Nc3 c6? (...Bc5 meets the same reply) 8. Ngxe5! de 9. Qh5+ g6 10. Qe5 Rg8 11. Bg5 when white should regain the piece and emerge a pawn ahead (11...Bg7 12. e7!)

 I've played it before myself on occasion and when I have, I've ventured into the craziness of 6....Nf6 7. Nf7 Qe7 8. Nxh8 Bxe6 9. Be2 g6 10. O-O Nc6 and 11....O-O-O.  Black is exchange down but will get an opportunity to go after the white king.

 


21st July 2008, 03:49pm
#5
by hicetnunc
Neuilly-sur-Seine France
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I'd say 4.Nc3


21st July 2008, 03:54pm
#6
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
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21st July 2008, 04:11pm
#7
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2007
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I see no "counter"-gambit, let alone a "counter counter"-gambit. Tongue out  Just looks like a regular gambit to me.


22nd July 2008, 12:34am
#8
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1521

Yes, Philidor's idea had been an early ...f5, but 3.d4 f5 is the big problem with this. It is quite easy for white to achieve an advantage as black's position becomes a bit too loose.


 

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