Philidor Defence - 3...

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6th March 2008, 07:21am
#1
by halfasian86
London United Kingdom
Member Since: Feb 2008
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Supposedly, according to general consensus, if black were to play 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Nc6 4.Bb5 Bg4 5.dxe5 dxe5, then that would be a mistake. However, the novice brain that I have can't see how to get the advantage as white. Can someone help me?



6th March 2008, 07:32am
#2
by wlapre
United States United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
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Well, looking at this position really quickly, b x knight ch. pawn x b then q x q followed by the win of the king pawn looks good for white.
6th March 2008, 07:37am
#3
by halfasian86
London United Kingdom
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Member Points: 30

surely you can't win the king pawn because of this:

 


6th March 2008, 07:40am
#4
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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wlapre wrote: Well, looking at this position really quickly, b x knight ch. pawn x b then q x q followed by the win of the king pawn looks good for white.

That line fails to a ....Rd1# ! Its better for white to play either 4dxe5 right away or after 4Bb5 Bg4 5d5 !


6th March 2008, 07:42am
#5
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1736
I believe in the philidor the best option for black at move 3 is 3....Nf6
6th March 2008, 07:53am
#6
by sstteevveenn
Wales United Kingdom
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haha well i thought i saw the answer for a second but black checkmates!  white can still double isolate blacks c pawn but black gets the two bishops, and white's pieces are awkward.  6.0-0 is probably best.  Technically i think 5.dxe5 is a mistake.  When you played Bb5 you transposed to the old steinitz variation of the ruy lopez, and d5 is the book move. 
7th March 2008, 01:16am
#7
by halfasian86
London United Kingdom
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thanks ppl!
7th March 2008, 02:25am
#8
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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According to chess assistant 4Bc4 and 4Bb5 both score 75% against 3....Nc6, while 4dxe5 scores 79%. The very fact that white has 3 moves scoring over 70% against 3....Nc6 pretty much condemns the move imo. 3...Nf6 is the highest scoring for black at 44% while 3...Nc6 only scores 26%.
7th March 2008, 02:58am
#9
by zoofagus
Turkey
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how about Qd5 after black plays dxe5?
10th March 2008, 12:50am
#10
by longbow
Bathurst, NB Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
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This is my faverite line of the Philidor's Defence ,1 e4 e5, 2 Nf3 d6,3 d4 f5! I have had lot of good games with it, give a lot of problems to white he does not  kknow what to do with it Thanks
 

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