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17th July 2008, 04:01pm
#1
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 179

as white what opening would you use against it im having trouble playing against it also could you give me a diagram and would the king's indian attack be good against it?


17th July 2008, 05:41pm
#2
by firestare500
testlab in Nevada, Tallahassee, Florida United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 1395

im not sure.. .  why dont you go to game explorer?


17th July 2008, 06:20pm
#3
by AquaMan
Albany, Oregon United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 742

You're rated higher than me.  I've been studying the hypermoderns quite a bit over the last few months though, particularly the KIA as white and the Pirc and KID as black, and have given this some thought, so I'll kick off some thoughts in case they help.  I'm hoping others more experienced will chime in too.

The KIA is relatively straight forward to learn, but against strong players I don't feel like it gives me particularly good advantages.  The KIA scores about 50/50 win ratio in the games databases, including against hypermoderns like the Pirc, KID, Grunfeld.  A hypermodern built around c4 like the Reti or hypermodern variations of the English score more in range of high 50s white/low 40s black.  There is more to learn with the Reti than with the KIA.  Lots of transpositional opportunities into Queen's pawn openings so some knowledge of QP openings helps.  Very interesting world though, IMO.

Another option would be to learn a main line for white against the Pirc.  In other words use Pirc theory for white against the Pirc.  I haven't tried that, myself :).

Edit:  If you're playing 1.e4 and you're opponent goes into the Pirc and you're asking, "what do I do then?," I think in that case you have to either go KIA or a Pirc line for white.  You're already commited, which is one of the things I don't like about 1.e4.  If you lead with 1.Nf3 then you can go Reti or KIA or a number of other lines depending on what you're opponent does.


17th July 2008, 06:58pm
#4
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1215

Do you open 1.e4 and are having trouble with 1...d6? If you open 1.d4, you could play 2.c4 and avoid the Pirc. The Pirc is nothing special though, and you should be fine if you study up a little. I think the Austrian Attack (4.f4) is the most exciting response. The standard play is to finish development and then prepare the e5 advance.

 

I have little respect for the KIA, but if you are having trouble with the standard Pirc, you could give it a try and see how it fits you. The advantage that white gets in the Pirc is a large pawn center, and I think you should learn to use that to your advantage. Mimicking black, and simply developing the kingside, will give you less chances for advantage, but may also be safer if you are finding your pawn center becoming a target.

 

The Austrian Attack:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A little ways into one of the critical lines:

 


17th July 2008, 08:03pm
#5
by wormrose
Lake Tahoe, NV United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 291

I have also been studying the Pirc, utilizing the everyman "starting out: the Pirc/Modern" by Joe Gallagher. From what I have studied thus far, I would use the "Austrian Attack" or  "4.Be3" with the white pieces against the Pirc. In the book there is no mention of a KIA type setup. In another everyman book; "Starting Out: KIA" by John Emms, there is no mention of the Pirc. In general I think it helps to be versatile. That is - once the game is started be prepared to switch openings although I can't claim to be so versatile myself. (Please keep in mind my rating is about 1400/1500)

Here's the Austrian

 

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and then the first branch is 5...c5 or 5...O-O

 


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Here's Pirc "4.Be3" which appeals to aggresive players
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3


















then 4...Bg7 or 4...c6 black delays ...Bg7

My preference as white would be the Austrian. Does this help?

 

 

 

 

 


18th July 2008, 03:22am
#6
by FreeCat
Barcelona Catalonia
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 100

I agree. I usually play the Pirc Defence as black and the Austrian attack is likely white's best response.


18th July 2008, 04:16am
#7
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1215

I am glad Wormrose pointed out 4.Be3. This is also rather popular and very well scoring. You might also want to check out 4.Bg5. There are a variety of minor systems for white's fourth move besides the Classical (4.Nf3) and Austrian. I simply find the Austrian the most exciting, but you should probably try a few out that make sense to you and see what you like.


18th July 2008, 06:16am
#8
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 179

thanks everybody im going to try out the austrian and study up a little bit on it


18th July 2008, 07:23am
#9
by KillaBeez
Denver, CO United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1773

Yeah!  The Austrian is really good.


 

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