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play against the kings indian?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #1


    HI guys, i play d4 as white and i was wondering what is generally the best response to the kings indian. At the moment i play the four pawns attack but i don't know much theory to it and i don't want to learn it if it's bad (some people think its good but some thnk its bad as well). any help? thanks...

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #2


    The various lines of the classical (9.Ne1, 9.Nd2, Bayonet 9.b4, Petrosian 7.d5, Gligoric 7.Be3, etc) are White's best.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #3


    The four pawns is a reasonably poor choice for white, imo. There are many ways black can play against it and the advantage is not so big. Ultimately you'll do a lot less work playing the main line (mar del plata).


  • 24 months ago · Quote · #6


    u mean the samisch?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #7


    I think the best way to play against the KID is the one you're most comfortable with. For me the bayonet variation is fun. I like having a double-edged game. A lot of people like Ne1 and nd2 stuff instead of immediate 9.b4 though.

    And instead of the mainline, many many people are big fans of the saemisch, and fianchetto variations.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #8


    Resorting to outside help to beat me huh?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #9


    topj wrote:

    u mean the samisch?

    No, he means the Sämisch - the correct English transposition of "ä" is in fact "ae".

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #11


    if you draw to GM's so easily why aren't you a GM?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #13


    thanks guys because loads of play it, i guess the best option is to try all these suggestions like @reb said, thanks!

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #14


    MalSwanOfZaga10 wrote:

    if you draw to GM's so easily why aren't you a GM?

    yeah come back come back when you get even close to pfrens rating

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #15


    Don't play the Classical King's Indian because it's comfortable. It's not. It's extremely sharp. I think it's also White's best bet for an objective advantage against the KID. The Saemisch is a bit slower and offers white some really interesting positional opportunities, but Black should be able to equalise in correspondence chess.

    The Averbakh has a great pedigree but hasn't been researched as thoroughly as the Classical or the Saemisch. That's an excellent practical choice and may even do well in correspondence games!  Avrukh's repertoire with g3 has been questioned recently. I'm not sure I'd trust it in a game against a well-prepared opponent or in correspondence.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #16


    I gurantee pfren has put in far more time than me so on ratios Im better

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #17


    I agree that the Saemisch or the Averbakh is your best shot to mop up a black player. They probably expect the main lines. 

    There is nothing wrong with the 3 pawn centre followed by a Bayonet or something like it. Black gets attacking chances though. I played both sides and often I barely escaped. Knowing the ideas meant I usually got by though.

    I can't do much with it you don't want to learn theory. Maybe you should play the exchange line then. 

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #18


    5.Be2 followed by g4 is worth a shot.


  • 24 months ago · Quote · #19


    Nice, Bruce! That looks like a GREAT blitz try. Here's what could happen in a slower time control.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #20


    The 1 line that gives me big problems with black is the Bayonet and black can either be crushed positionally or tactically very easily. If you are playing players under 2000 I imagine they would be unfamiliar with the system and you would be able to mop up the points. 

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