Playing Against Unusual Openings

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6th October 2007, 08:34am
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by TPearce
Northallerton England
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 67

Hi everyone

 Im pretty new to chessstudy but considering my low rating (usually around 900-1100 on chess programs) i think i have a reasonalbe understanding of a few main opeings, i.e. open and closed sicillian, ruy lopez, french defence etc. However, in all the recent games i have played against human players i have come across very unusual or dare i say seemingly innacurate lines, which have completely thrown me from the start. My question is, do I continue with opening principles, i.e development of minor pieces, not moving a developed piece twice etc, when i come across these, or should i try to take advantage of what i think is a bad move (for example recently i moved an already developed knight again in the opening because i saw a opponents pawn couldnt be protected, but then quickly found myself in a very unusual opening position that i wasnt sure how to deal with.

I would appreciate anyones thoughts on this


6th October 2007, 08:48am
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by SonofPearl
Wales
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 3786

Opening are just the collected wisdom of those who have gone before and tried to find the best moves.  If you know some opening theory, that's good, but you need to know WHY you are playing the moves. 

If you know what you should be trying to do in the typical positions that arise from an opening then you should be able to find a good move if your opponent deviates from what the book says he should do.

In general, it's best to stick with general principles, unless you are absolutely sure that the specific position you are in justifies breaking them. 


6th October 2007, 09:40am
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by TPearce
Northallerton England
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 67
thanks for that you make a good point in saying its important to understand why certain moves are being played, anyone know any good books/resources looking at the theory behind openings such as sicillian and french defence?preferably general overviews on several openings would be good if they exist rather than extra detailed analysis of one variation
7th October 2007, 06:33am
#4
Member Since: Sep 2007
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TPearce wrote:anyone know any good books/resources looking at the theory behind openings such as sicillian and french defence?

you can try wikipedia. they have pretty good resources on French Defence & Sicillian Defence.


7th October 2007, 03:32pm
#5
by jtun23
Wirral England
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 225

Why were you attacking a pawn with a knight anyway?  Pawns can easily be sacrificed, you're knight was going to do no harm by itself up there!  Thats what created the fork, I know sometimes attack is the best form of defense but sometimes its wise to retreat.

 Laters bro


7th October 2007, 03:36pm
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by jtun23
Wirral England
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 225
innacurate lines... Tsh tsh Tris.  Open your mind, break from the shackles of text books and be free!  I've always believed in playing your own game, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.  As long as you learn from your mistakes (easier said than done sometimes!!!)
7th October 2007, 04:50pm
#7
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 3273

[I] have come across very unusual or dare i say seemingly innacurate lines, which have completely thrown me from the start.

 

You're learning one reason why it's not so productive to study opening variations until your rating's quite a bit higher. Studying opening principles makes more sense. 

 

Do I continue with opening principles, i.e development of minor pieces, not moving a developed piece twice etc, when i come across these, or should i try to take advantage of what i think is a bad move.

 

Glenn Wilson is a very strong chess player and I like the way he describes how to play the opening, which you can find here. Taking advantage of the bad move would be following his opening principles in many cases.  :)

 

anyone know any good books/resources looking at the theory behind openings such as sicillian and french defence?

 

I know of a great online lesson that explains the ideas behind the French and Sicilian defenses and you can find it here. You might also try playing through a few master vs master or master vs amateur games in your opening.


8th October 2007, 04:12am
#8
by TPearce
Northallerton England
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 67

thankyou very much for all your comments

 

jason i would still take your pawn again i had a winning endgame after simplifying down if i hadnt been blind to that fork and still should have drawn without that godawful rook move afterwards! maybe it will be third time lucky lol


8th October 2007, 04:14am
#9
by fischer
Iceland
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 440

SonofPearl, couldn't have said it better myself. 


15th October 2007, 11:26am
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by hrithikguy
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1
fischer wrote:

SonofPearl, couldn't have said it better myself. 


Are you really Bobby Fischer???


16th October 2007, 07:11pm
#11
by kenttt_leung
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 33
i think he is booby fisher.
29th October 2007, 12:41pm
#12
by littleman
Taree Australia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1107

The best concept against strange lines for me has been first as myself what does this move actualy try to do? i dont panic! i just try to find the reason if i cant really find one that seems practical to me then i just continue along the same basic principles if u try to play like them and deviate to much u will put yourself in more trouble then u want because u r now in unformilar land pls excuse my terrible spelling ok but u get the idea thats what normaly works for me . u dont need huge depth to play openings when your learning only when u become really good at general principles and understand the nature of the openings in general and in the particular opening and thats about 1800+ i believe.  A nice book on that i personaly liked was winning chess openings by:- yasser seirawan . the moves dont go deaper then about 6 moves and he shows u the general idea behind the moves very well . Well thats just one book of course. so hope this helped alittle mate. Keep thinking like your doing and asking these questions i can see u could be a very good chess player one day.....Cool

 


29th October 2007, 01:09pm
#13
by tanmay_chakrabarti
Uttarpara India
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 403
SonofPearl is accurately adviced you.
29th October 2007, 06:05pm
#14
by Ricardo_Morro
Bridgeport, CT United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 243
captain_jack_sparrow wrote: TPearce wrote:anyone know any good books/resources looking at the theory behind openings such as sicillian and french defence?

you can try wikipedia. they have pretty good resources on French Defence & Sicillian Defence.


 Reuben Fine's "Ideas Behind the Chess Openings."


 

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