The parham attack is an aggressive opening that is coveted by novices, but has sometimes been used by grandmasters! And I can see why. The conventional response, shown above in the diagram, leaves black with a horribly awkward fianchetto'd bishop, and leaves white free to push d4 with moves like c3 or Ne2.

I would like to propose a different, more effective and secure manner to deal with the parham attack, which still carries the disadvantage of the awkward fianchetto'd bishop, but is more positionally sound.

Also, I would not begrudge one the use of the "Kiddie Countergambit", 2. ... Nf6 !?

How does your idea help with stopping d4?

Thanks much man i was so tired of people doing this to me :) now i know how can i defend this !

The threat of a d4 push is made insignificant by the pawn defending e5. If a d4 push occurs, what will they do with it? The most they will be able to do is exchange with e5, which completely ruins the point of having a D4 push in the first place. Meanwhile, you ought to push d5 with a white bishop fianchetto accompanied with c6. This should result in a strategic demolition.

I suggest 2...Nf6 as a way for Black to get an advantage and excellent winning chances from the opening.

According to Nakamura, 2...Nc6 is an inaccuracy, and White has a natural plan of playing h3, Ne2-g3 and eventually sacrificing with Nf5 which can be very dangerous.

The line I recommend will play like this:

1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nf6! 3.Qxe5+ Be7 4.Bc4(if beginner) d6! 5.Qg3 O-O and if 6.Nf3?? Nh5 traps the queen. This is an important idea, although the same idea can arise if Black first plays Nc6, then castles, then d6 as well. Another thing to be aware of is that sometimes a White d3 -> Bh6 idea to attack castled king and threaten to mate on g7 can often be met by the unorthodox Ng4! winning material, as in the line (from above) 6.d3 Nc6 7.Bh6 Ng4!

cbgirardo is wrong with Qg3 is beginner and not a matrix line, maybe you play that line not me, i play matrix and hunt your king, you can chase my queen all you want, just remember that a matrix player dont give up. your off there buddy, check your sorces at the door on matrix, they dont hold any water. 

I have a much higher success rate of defeating people using those standard counters than ones using kiddie countergambit

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IMO 2. ...Nc6 followed by 3. ...g6 is the correct way to refute it. Of course d6 is playable as well...

as is Qe7....

....and Qf6....

....and Be7 initally with Black almost castled and White's development a disaster... hell just about any response would refute it. Even if a person was playing for pure chance, just making legal moves, the odds would be in their favour of coming out the opening in a better position against the "Parham Attack".

Interesting in terms of "the worst possible second move White could make in the opening" though .

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Why is there an exclamation mark on 2. ...Nf6    ?

An exclamation mark is for a move that is KNOWN to be really good, to be better than all other moves available. Putting an exclamation mark there for what's an idea is complete nonsense.

Nobody has shown beyond doubt that Nf6 is a good move, much less the best one available. So keep the exclamation marks to yourself next time.

I'm so sick of people congratulating themselves on their own amazing moves or what they think are good moves with exclamation marks. 

@spaghettio

I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. Its not like cbgirardo "congratulated himself on his own amazing move" or let alone even say it was his own move...

While its true that a ton of ppl "congratulate themselves" and its annoying and all, he wasn't really doing that here honestly...

I wouldn't take this discussion seriously, as Qh5 players often does't know what to do if their plan of mate on f7(or king-rook fork) fails.

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True.

(I started to write something about the merits of the Sokolsky Opening 1. b4 but then I realized 2. ... Bxb4.....)

The thing about the Parham Attack is that it isn't just a wasted move, it's a wasted move that will have to be later retracted... so is effectively two wasted moves. The Queen belongs on d1 at the beginning of the game, any other square is just blocking development.... of the knight for example, or leaving itself open to attack itself.

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Because everybody besides you and me in this thread is a patzer.  "Horribly awkward fianchettoed bishop" ROTFLMAO: it's comparable to the 3...g6 variation vs. the Spanish, played by no less than a World Champion, Smyslov.

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Yes, except there isn't even any Spanish there as White is so far behind.

I propose a defense even stronger than what you mentioned.

Op is mistaken, d4 isn't bad against the e5 and d6 formation, it is in fact played in most philidor lines. In some of them a fianchetto is actually played aswell.

 

This discussion started with way to missunderstandings of rudimentary chess to be of any interest.

I would play 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4 Qe7 followed by ...Nf6.  As dragec pointed out, once the white player comes to the realization that his cunning plan is not going to work, they generally start floundering about looking for Plan B, and now black has several pleasant moves at his disposal, such as ...Qc5 or ...Nb4, demonstrating why the Q should probably have stayed on d1 at the beginning.

What about Nc6, followed by d5 for Black?

My instinct tells me it's got to be also possible for Black, and not just losing a pawn.

my instict tells me that so far all those are novice moves  that someone would make if they are pretenting to be a matrix player. Once you know matrix player would not make such moves

Is Matrix player slang for scrub?