Ruy Lopez 3....Bc5

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4th February 2008, 09:09pm
#1
by darkmage2007
Georgia United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
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I've been playing against the Ruy Lopez for some time now, and I'm usually forced into a passive middlegame. I usually do fine in the game, but I hate the cramped position. Therefore, I'm trying 3. ... Bc5 against the Ruy Lopez. I have a few questions to ask anyone familiar with the Ruy Lopez about this line:

1. Are there any traps that can be used against me (Black) with this line?

2. Are there any traps I can use to against White?

3. Does it avoid a cramped middlegame?

Thanks. 


4th February 2008, 10:05pm
#2
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
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Well, the Classical Defense allows White to build up an ideal center. Below is a natural continuation... decide for yourself whether it looks cramped. 

 

 


4th February 2008, 10:05pm
#3
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 3273

Have you considered 3...a6 followed by 4..d6, the Steinitz Defense Deferred? That line tends to lead to less cramped positions.

 


5th February 2008, 01:39pm
#4
by darkmage2007
Georgia United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 47
I'll try Steinitz Defense first, it looks more promising for Black.
5th February 2008, 01:54pm
#5
by mxdplay4
mids UK England
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Or the Schliemann Deferred (a6 then f5)
5th February 2008, 02:01pm
#6
by Unbeliever
United States
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I prefer Morphy's Defense against the Ruy Lopez.
5th February 2008, 02:05pm
#7
by hicetnunc
Neuilly-sur-Seine France
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As black you have to watch out for Nxe5 followed by d4 tricks and some e5 push in the early middlegame.

If white plays c3 and you reply f5, then, of course you have to correctly assess some Qh5+ checks. 

Sorry I don't have time to post the specific positions right now.


5th February 2008, 02:23pm
#8
by likesforests
United States
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Member Points: 3273

scottyd, then 5...Qd4 6.Nf3 Qxe4+ 7.Qe2 Qxe2+ 8.Kxe2. Material is equal, except Black is up the bishop pair. Not bad for eight moves.


5th February 2008, 02:25pm
#9
by Dutch_Defense
Cleveland, Ohio United States
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then 5...Qd4!


6th February 2008, 12:45pm
#10
by scottyd333
United States
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yes, I delete my statement because i realize how ignorant i was Laughing
6th February 2008, 12:51pm
#11
by likesforests
United States
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scottyd> I delete my statement

 

I bet you know the countermeasure the whole time. You were just trying to show the original poster a neat "trap" in the a6 variation.  :)


 

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