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If I give a line where black is simply playing for a draw, you give a different one, then I give a different one....Chess, being a game of seeminly infinite possibilities means we would never finish the discussion, and I dont really care that much.
Search games from the last 10 years +2600 in the dutch and it should be pretty clear black has very slim winning chances.The only statisticsI can get are some dodgy ones from chess games, where the top practitioner of the classical was botvinnik apparently with 6 games.. (obviously not correct, im sure theres an advocate of the classical out there). But still, he won none of them.Im afraid without a database this is the best I can do, of course if you can provide the theoretical mainline where after some best play from both sides, black has real winning chances...maybe we can continue.
I found the old line I used to play a while back....
There's a variation for you, please suggest improvements on black's play.
im not a big fan of the classical dutch lol ( i actually dont play it), but from what i remember, white has some positional advantage after 11.e4!, because of the backward d pawn, and black's semi-retarded (used correctly?) development.
Im more or less interested in the setup white has against the stonewall. I would like to keep this for future reference.
Okay here's the starting point of the stonewall.
start from there, there are lots of plans in which white has a bit of positional pressure, but black is holding his own. Show me one that is definitively bad for black
The stonewall is a far cry better than the classical, but its not exactly sharp, wouldnt you agree?EDIT: I never said it was BAD for black, I just said he wouldnt be playin for a win, though he has good drawing chances.Anyway, here it is:
what stonewall lines do you consider sharp?
agreed, black has many setups other than Ne4 there btw, but i get your point.
i think one interesting plan is 8..Bd7 9.Rb1 Be8 10.b4?! dxc4! 11.b5 a6, when black is probably MORE than okay. 8..b6 has some merit too. True, white can play the most dullish and drawish stuff, but i really dont mind grinding it out, because i doubt white wanted this in the first place!
Here's one thing I learned about trying to create a certain type of position. If one side is willing to make objectively inferior moves to obtain a certain type of position, be it quiet or sharp, then it's very difficult to stop them from achieving this goal with resorting to some objectively inferior moves of your own. For example I used to hate playing sharp positions, and I based an entire repertoire around only allowing quiet positions even when I had to concede equality to black or give white some advantage. The only way to create complications for my opponent was to play dubious moves.
Nowadays I try to play more 'objectively' since I felt I was hurting my chess improvement by avoiding the types of position in which I needed to improve.
I mentioned the Benko Gambit in post #4. p-wnattack rementioned it in post #7. Fear_Itself rerementioned it in post #38. Then in post #39 opticRED says nobody is looking towards Benko Gambit aside from the guy in post #38. Does anybody actually read the thread? Or do people just blast away with their diatribes?
Lots of people don't go back to read the first page or so of multi-page threads, especially when the older pages aren't from today.
my bad. sorry. I forgot to mention your name.
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