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20th April 2009, 11:27am
#1
by JBades6310
Massachusetts United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 26

I recently came across this opening by an adept player with roughly a 1700 rating. I had never seen this opening before, which stirred my intrigue for the opening. I was hoping I could get some information on this opening. To start with, does anyone know the name of this opening? It proved to be a very acerbic opening because he was able to utilize his bishops effectively with so much open space. Could I get some pointers on both how to counter this opening and also how to use this opening myself in order to understand why one might use this opening? Thanks Cool

-Jeremy

20th April 2009, 11:28am
#2
by JBades6310
Massachusetts United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 26

oops, should say "black to move"

sorry for the confusion

20th April 2009, 11:37am
#3
by AtahanT
Sweden
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 300

French advance variation. I use it myself as white. It's nice.

20th April 2009, 11:37am
#4
by Dan_V
Gainesville, Florida United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 763

Under explorer, it "French defense - advance variation".  The next most popular move by black is c5 and it is an equal # of wins for both white & black from there.

20th April 2009, 11:40am
#5
by AtahanT
Sweden
Member Since: Apr 2009
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Here is a game I played as white, just to give some ideas of attacks for white and black.

20th April 2009, 12:10pm
#6
by amiraz
Israel
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 270

AtahanT, your game is nice but it doesn't show the main lines and themes in the french advance. Here is the main line:

20th April 2009, 12:19pm
#7
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2459

The french advance is easy to equalize with black, especially with the 5...Bd7 variation usually followed by ...Nge7, ...Ng6, and ...f6, destroying white's center and tying to take it over compared to 5...Qb6. I think 3 Nc3 and 3 Nd2 are better moves because often black has to make a concession in order to force an e5 advance, closing the center and allowing the chain to be attacked. For example, after 3 Nd2 Nf6 4 e5 Nfd7 white is able to support his center with both bishop pawns with more chances for it to hold and build a kingside attack. If he tried that in the advance variation, his center would get destroyed because it wouldn't be backed up by pieces.

20th April 2009, 12:59pm
#8
by corum
Leeds England
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 349

This is not necessarilly the main line either but shows that black can win against the advance variation. I agree that other variations cause black more problems.

 

20th April 2009, 01:09pm
#9
by Sweagen
Ontario Canada
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 103

^ Black resigns?

20th April 2009, 01:11pm
#10
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
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I think he means white resigns because black won.

22nd April 2009, 02:23pm
#11
by JBades6310
Massachusetts United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 26

Those are some great answers, and I think that I can now use the French Advance Variation opening to my advantage now. I actually find myself playing a 1777 right now in a tournament game where I am using this opening. I will post how the game played out after it is over for those who are interested. Does anyone else have anything else they would like to add about this opening? I am still very interested. Thanks again to all who replied!

22nd April 2009, 02:44pm
#12
by AtahanT
Sweden
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 300
JBades6310 wrote:

 Does anyone else have anything else they would like to add about this opening? I am still very interested. Thanks again to all who replied!


 Yes. As black you need to watch out for the greek gift when facing french advanced. It is very common with that pawn structure and can lead to a very quick defeat and is not easily spotted if you do not know it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_gift_sacrifice

24th April 2009, 02:11pm
#13
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
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Member Points: 2459

Usually I liquidate e5 with ...f6 before that can happen, or even ...0-0-0.

7th May 2009, 08:49pm
#14
by i_can_do_it
SE Malaysia
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 93

Black is surely winning and he resigns? It looks like he can still threaten the white pieces and will be a pawn up

8th May 2009, 12:14am
#15
by demetrios18
new york United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 498

the french advance variation seems like it gives away too much center control and space. It would be risky to play in a tournament match.

8th May 2009, 12:29am
#16
by BlackWaive
Michigan United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 389

French: Advance. It's theoretically equal, although some people claim that Black has an edge. I personally don't like it from White's perspective - I think Nc3 is better - but it has a number of traps that catch beginners off-guard.

8th May 2009, 12:30am
#17
by MsCloyescapade
California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 568

you should take a look at the milner-barry gambit. Really sharp development for white with a couple of nice traps if black is unaware of his development strategy.

8th May 2009, 12:38am
#18
by tarikhk
United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 425

I've never played it against an opponent, but my computer choses the french defence all the time. I found that, as white, by whipping out my queen to g3 before developing my horse, a nasty little attack on the kingside can begin. Again, not tried against a real opponent though.

8th May 2009, 01:00am
#19
by RoyalStraightFlush
Jakarta Indonesia
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 460

Great game

8th May 2009, 04:17am
#20
by tarikhk
United Kingdom
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 425

p.s. I meant the advance variation.

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