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sicilian 2. Nc3


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1

    darnok87

    hi, i have some concern about a tricky move order 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 or 3.Ne2

    The point is, i am building new repertoire, i played open games before, but i am tired of this boring positions like some slow variations of italian game, vienna game or 4knights, and because I havent studied too much teory in open games yet, i am going to switch to sicilian before it is too late, I mean I believe sicilian isnt far more teoretical than open games really, take this spanish, king gambit, italian, scotch etc. and what is more important,  even stupid things such a danish gambit can lead to completely forced equal endgame, if I wanted this, I would play caro kann...

    so, going back to the question, i want to play najdorf, and despite this i want to answer 2.Nc3 with 2... Nc6 , because I have better systems at my disposal vs grand prix attack for example, which is quite popular, problem is some players can try to transpose to open sicilian, and as i played Nc6, i cant play najdorf, so look at this variation

    Does it equalise for black? cause this is the price I have to pay if i dont wanna play 2... d6 vs grand prix , if it is ok for black then my problems are solved, if not i will have to play worse version of GP for black
  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2

    Beer30

    This line is equal  because black can contest whites minor pieces that land on d5

    a better try for white is 

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3

    tigergutt

    exuse me if im totally of wrong of you with this  but drawn and equal is not the same thing. draw is drawish. equal just means that both players have winningchances and you should not be worried about that:) even the najdorff have drawinglines. if you want a line as black where you can win and white cant, you must look forever:)

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #4

    marvellosity

    darnok: I'd really suggest you didn't respond to 2.Nc3 with 2...Nc6.

    Try 2...a6 for something a bit offbeat, that scores very well for Black, and leaves your options for transposition back into a mainline Najdorf open.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #5

    darnok87

    3. Nge2 indeed seems a bit concerning, maybe i should play just 2... d6 ...

    tigergutt: yes you are right, and  maybe i should have used word drawish instead:) look at this:

    It is only 1 example, maybe that would be fine anyway cause both players have their pawn majorities, but there are dozens of such variations, even exchange spanish really frustrates me, just open games seems to be too symetrical and if white wants it, play will be extremely boring, just take giucco pianissimo as an example
  • 2 years ago · Quote · #6

    darnok87

    marvellosity: i will take this into consideration, it was suggested by palliser in his book about antisicilian I believe, but if black will manage to equalise in lines mentioned above, i would rather play 2... nc6 , as i like main lines of grand prix and closed sicilian

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #7

    Beer30

    What line of the grand prix do you play as black does it involve an early e6?

    And do you play the najdorj similar to  a schevenigan if so you could try

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #8

    AnthonyCG

    A fun line I've seen in GM play:

    I can't remember who was playing though but White won with some fancy moves.
  • 2 years ago · Quote · #9

    darnok87

    Unfortunately i prefer "true najdorf" with e5, vs grand prix i play mainline with g6, e6 and if white bishop goes to c4 i can answer with d5 in one go, something i wont be able to do if i play 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 , as this pawn is already moved

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #10

    Flier

    One way to keep your options open, is to play 2... a6. This is annoying for the grand prix player who wants to play Bb5. If 3. Nf3 you can still achieve the najdorf. 

    One downside is that after a6 white could play the closed sicilian one tempo up. But to every choice there's a downside.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #11

    darnok87

    1 of the variations above is transposition to anti sveshnikov sicilian, namely:

     

    So it has to be satisfactory for black, if it wasnt, then everyone would avoid sveshnikov, so only veriation with 3. Ne2 left, if it is sound, then all in all 2...Nc6 will be as well, and there woudnt be necessary to look for rare lines for najdorf players vs 2. Nc3


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