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Slav, QGD, Dutch against non 1.e4


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #1

    legna99

    I have heard many times that the Slav, QGD and Dutch can be used against any non 1.e4 opening, yet I haven't seen this treated in any opening book!, do such a book exist for any of these openings? Which one do you think is better suited as an all around non 1.e4 defense?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #2

    CarlMI

    There were some old repatoire books that covered these.  Not sure where you could find them now.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #3

    DarkPhobos

    Several major works on the Dutch Defense cover 1. c4 f5 and 1. Nf3 f5 in a chapter or two at the back.

    Beware the currently fashionable theory says 1. Nf3 f5?! 2. d3! is supposed to be a serious problem for Black.

    Of course a few years earlier they were insisting that the Lisitsyn Gambit 1. Nf3 f5 2. e4!? was the refutation of the Reti-Dutch and so far that hasn't exactly worked out for White. I guess time will tell if the new refutation will stick any better than the last one. If you do get past the anti-Dutchs then the Reti-Dutch has little independent to offer White. He almost inevitably transposes into a real Dutch with d4 or an English-Dutch with c4.

    The English-Dutch is fine for Black. White's best option is to play an early d4 and transpose to normal Dutch lines. The English treatment is perfectly playable but not as challenging. Typically this involves Nc3, g3, Bg2, 0-0, and d3. Three major subsystems are based on e4 + Nge2, e3 + Nge2, and just Nf3 with the e-pawn staying home. Many of these lines transpose to "official" variations of the English opening after Black eventually plays e5. You need to compare English and Dutch sources to work it all out.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #4

    wango

    Well, I guess you could use the Slav pawn structure against anything but 1.e4 but you wouldn't want to do this all the time.

    The Dutch is good, but you have to throw general principles out the window and be on the lookout for tactics constatnly.  The only problem with the Dutch is that it's not really a shortcut.  You need a familiarity with all 3 lines to play it well.  (Stonewall, Classical, Leningrad).  The Stonewall is ok againsta anything other than the English, then you will want to go into a Leningrad.  Look up Leningrad System, by Stefan Kindermann.  This is an excellent opening book and more books should be written this way.

    I will say that 1.Nf3 f5 2. d3 is troublesome for black, and Kindermann agreees.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #5

    brandonQDSH

    legna99

    You might want to find a book that discusses hypermodern openings in particular. Almost any hypermodern opening can be played by either side and against almost any other opening. The most famous example is probably the King's Indian.

    When Black uses it, it's called the King's Indian Defense, or KID, and can be used against any opening White throws at you. Popular lines in the KID have been given their own special names because they come up so often, i.e. Gruenfeld, Sicilian Dragon, etc. But at its heart, it's all about Nf6, g6, Bg7, and 0-0.

    In order to get some people to stop playing book moves, people adopted the King's Indian, which is a Black defensive system, and decided to use it as White, figuring the extra tempo that White has could only make this better. As a result, the King's Indian Attack, or KIA, was born (Nf3, g3, Bg2, and 0-0)!

    Since you can only move Knights and pawns in the opening, and half of the moves are sub-par, i.e. 1. h4, 1. b4, or 1. Na3, etc., most openings out there look very similar, and they often transpose into one another.

    Take the Slav proper for example (1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6), when you run it against 1. d4, it's called the Slav. But when you reverse the move order (1. c6 2. d5) and run it against 1. e4, it's called the Caro-Kann.

    And you can even explore some relatively uncharted territory by experimenting by answering the King's Indian Attack by White with a Slav Defense!

    1. Nf3 d5

    2. g3 c6

    Taking Black Defenses and running them as White Openings is a pretty popular trend. And any opening that doesn't involve a direct battle in the center can morph into a wide variety of openings. If you want to build a system that you can play against any non 1. e4 opening, then just choose something by Black that doesn't start out as 1. e5 or d5 because then you can most develop how you want to. Of course, this is easier to do as White because you get an extra move, but it can be done by Black as well. You can play the King's Indian Defense against anything White plays. Or you can start a system based on a move like 1. Nf6, 1. Nc6, 1. b6, 1. a6, etc.


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