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7th May 2009, 12:53pm
#1
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
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I've been playing 1.d4 to the point where I have all the stuff I need to know down. I read an article a long time ago about 1.d4 not being boring. But does it really make since to play this if you want tactics? I like positional play but I like messy positions too. And playing 1.d4 and 1.e4 doesn't seem very easy at all so I may have to commit to one. The only time I play a sharp game is with the QGA, Marshall Gambit which rarely ever occurs or the Slav/Semi- Slav when I can throw in g2-g4. Can I really switch tunes with just 1.d4 or do I have some thinking to do?

7th May 2009, 01:56pm
#2
by DrawMaster
United States
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If you want excitement after 1.d4, then play the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit. Not sound at the 2600 level, but that excludes only a few.

7th May 2009, 07:31pm
#3
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
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Member Points: 6628
Cool, 5.Bg5 slipped my mind completely. I looked at game 9 of the Kramnik-Anand match and it looked like things got pretty quiet after Anand gave the pawn back. Just some subtle menouvering- they make it look too easy hehe. I'll be going with that from now on though. Only time I play vs the Slav is after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6. Otherwise I play the Marshall gambit or the QG Exchange variation where theres some sharp lines I could go to. I'm having trouble with tactical lines the QGD because its boring sometimes.
7th May 2009, 07:33pm
#4
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
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I used to have the exact same view as you.  I played the Catalan and gambitted the house.  I like the Latvian against the Semi-Slav as well

7th May 2009, 08:06pm
#5
by Kupov
Banff Alberta Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 1645
DrawMaster wrote:

If you want excitement after 1.d4, then play the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit. Not sound at the 2600 level, but that excludes only a few.


Well it's only sound in a "people under 2000 might blunder badly so you could win" kind of way.

I have personally lost to it, but it's far from a sound gambit.

7th May 2009, 08:25pm
#6
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
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Member Points: 6628
Kupov wrote:
DrawMaster wrote:

If you want excitement after 1.d4, then play the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit. Not sound at the 2600 level, but that excludes only a few.


Well it's only sound in a "people under 2000 might blunder badly so you could win" kind of way.

I have personally lost to it, but it's far from a sound gambit.


Yeah, I don't really like it too much.
7th May 2009, 09:12pm
#7
by MyNames
United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 488

Playing with the KIA or the KID is fun, no gambits but still funLaughing

anti-moscow rules

7th May 2009, 09:16pm
#8
by Narz
Pitman, NJ United States
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Member Points: 3358
DrawMaster wrote:

If you want excitement after 1.d4, then play the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit. Not sound at the 2600 level, but that excludes only a few.


Only good for blitz.  Like the Smith-Morra.  And good is an exagerration. Wink

8th May 2009, 12:35pm
#9
by Elubas
United States
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AnthonyCG wrote:

I've been playing 1.d4 to the point where I have all the stuff I need to know down. I read an article a long time ago about 1.d4 not being boring. But does it really make since to play this if you want tactics? I like positional play but I like messy positions too. And playing 1.d4 and 1.e4 doesn't seem very easy at all so I may have to commit to one. The only time I play a sharp game is with the QGA, Marshall Gambit which rarely ever occurs or the Slav/Semi- Slav when I can throw in g2-g4. Can I really switch tunes with just 1.d4 or do I have some thinking to do?


Don't restrict yourself from 1 d4 just because on average it isn't as sharp at e4. It could still give you something tactical that 1 e4 might not have for you.

8th May 2009, 03:22pm
#10
by chidori
Hidden Leaf Village United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 161

creepy!

12th May 2009, 06:22pm
#11
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
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Member Points: 6628
Any ideas for the Nizmo-Indian? I play Nc3 before Nf3 so there's no avoiding it. I used to play the f3 lines but they just seem dangerous.
12th May 2009, 06:41pm
#12
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
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Member Points: 2253

Personally I've always thought d4 was more aggressive then e4 in most cases. When you play e4 half the time you're going the be playing the spanish or the petrov! With d4 you can choose aggressive lines against practically every black response.

For example:

3.e4 in the QGA

Shabalov/Shirov gambit in the slav

Four pawns attack vs Kings Indian & benoni

4.f3 in the nimzo-indian

epishin or lines with early f4 vs. benko

and much much more!

12th May 2009, 09:59pm
#13
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
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Thanks for the replies btw. Against the Benko I accept and play 7.f4 since I like to play positionally with pawns against aggressive Black openings. I play the Petrosian for the same reason vs the KID but I might jump on the Bayonett bandwagen. Are there other aggresive options vs. the Nizmo other than f3? Maybe the Qc2 lines?
12th May 2009, 10:27pm
#14
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land United States
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Member Points: 1861

I'd like to lobby for a line in that classical that is currently crushing the KID, also there is very sharp Nimzo Qc2 line with an early e4 after 4. Qc2 0-0 5.e4 is razor sharp.

12th May 2009, 10:31pm
#15
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land United States
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Otherwise, I agree with ericmittens that f3 is sharp or even a3!? can be (transposes usually) and is better than 4. Qc2 IF white is looking for the most affressive play v. the Nimzo.

Unfortunately, I have put so much time and effort into the Qc2 lines and have become too neurotic to do the work to switch out that part of the repertoire....but at least I have a mighty drawing weapon with White v the Nimzo!   Laughing

13th May 2009, 04:30am
#16
by torre5backagain
mumbai India
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how about the torre attack

13th May 2009, 04:48am
#17
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
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The Torre is more of a non-theoretical positional try.

13th May 2009, 04:56am
#18
by townesquare
Birmingham United States
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I don't know... saying you pretty much know all you need to know about d4 is a rather bold statement.

13th May 2009, 04:58am
#19
by NM Reb
United States
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Member Points: 7857

Against the Nimzo the leningrad 4 Bg5 is certainly sharp/aggressive but out of fashion. It was a favorite weapon of Spassky and Timman. One of my very few wins against a GM ( OTB ) as from the white side of this line.  If you decide to try it look at Spassky's games and Timmans.

13th May 2009, 09:20am
#20
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 6628
townesquare wrote:

I don't know... saying you pretty much know all you need to know about d4 is a rather bold statement.


I mean I have lines prepared for whatever defence Black has vs. d4, they just aren't all as aggresive as I'd like.
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