Okay, any questions or analysis you have about the Traxler Counterattack can probably be answered by the group Traxler Analysis (I am one of them Smile)
The Lolli attack is the way to go for white.
The problem with the Fried Liver are these lines:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Nce7 9.d4 c6 10.Bg5 h6 11.Bxe7 Bxe7 12.0-0-0 Rf8 13.Qe4 Bg5+ 14.Kb1 Rf4 15.Qxe5+ Kf7 16.Nd5 cxd5 17.Bxd5+ Kf8
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Nce7 9.0-0 c6 10.Re1 Kd6 11.d4 Kc7
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Nb4 9.a3 Nxc2+ 10.Kd1 Nxa1 11.Nxd5 c6 (Other alternatives include 11...Kd7, 11...Kd6, 11...Qh4) 12.Nc7+ Kd6 13.Nxa8 Qh4 14.Qd3+ Qd4 15.Qxd4 exd4 and black has the better game.
Unless white can address all of these lines I have brought up, then black is fine.
Now, the main line of the Polerio variation procedes:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Be2 h6 9.Nf3 e4 10.Ne5 Bd6 11.d4 and white is looking great up a pawn.
Now, can someone explain how the Traxler's Counterattack work?
Cheesehat seems to have either given up on his arguement or is searching for the attack.
Please suggest moves after...1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf3 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7.Ke3 I think white wins. 7...Qh4 8.g3. and someone has suggested 7...Qe7!? or ??.
It's being actively investigated in the Traxler Analysis group - but my Estrin book says that 7.Ke3 is an error exactly due to Qh4. He also mentions Qe7.
If Black doesn't get enough for his pawn, why does Friedel play it in the final round of the US Championships against Nakamura? I think Black gets plenty enough for his pawn.
2 Knights is actually the best response to the Italian game and is played by all levels. Black only loses a pawn if white plays Ng5, but that opens up MUCH worse problems for white. Just look at the statistics for white after playing Ng5. Black is also likely to regain the pawn later.
Like many said, 5...Nxd5 is a big mistake. 5...Na5 or 5...Nd4 are both much better.
As for the Fried Liver, it is extremely dangerous for black OTB and is generally considered sound.
The Traxler is sound also. Look at the stats after 5. Nxf7...lopsided in favor of black.
I don't think that line is what I would play. I always played a different line with white:
The previous post was for the Na5 line.
Quoting ozzie_c_cobblepot... does your book give any line? I need hard evidence and I agree with Conquisador. GO THE LOLLI ATTACK!!!!!
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