Along with the French, this is the opening I always lose to. I just can't seem to crack the buggar. Does anyone have either some information on the objectives for both sides in this opening, or some articles or websites they can point me towards? Even some master games may be useful, but objectives are obviously more ideal.
Thanks!
In the KID, as White, u need to destroy black on the quenside with b4, Nf3-e1-d3, Rc1, c5, etc.
I thought the point was a kingside attack? Or you are saying I need to secure the queenside before I try to wallop him on the Kingside?
I've won against this opening before.
ok, wait do u mean the kings indian attack or kings indian defense?
im confused
try "King's Indian Attack" in the search box, you should find some interesting stuff
if you mean againgt the kings indian defece the big cenre with queenside breakthrugh is one statergy i can think of
As soon as you don't know what to do anymore, Type the following in your opponents message box: You realise this line has been refuted?
Then play h4....
Seriously though, I don't like playing against it either....
There's a chess.com thematic tournament starting this weekend for the King's Indian Defense... you might sign up and get some experience playing in/against it!
As far as objectives for each side, that's a discussion far beyond what one could put in a quick summary -- part of the appeal of the defense is the theoretical complexity and variety. For instance, in the Classical variation, White tends to attack on the queenside, while Black pawn-storms the kingside. In the Samisch variation, the opposite is true -- it's White castling queenside and attacking down the h-file. In the Four Pawns Attack, White tends to try to go right up the center. Other variations have different objectives. Vastly different play may occur depending on how Black eventually stakes a claim in the center (e5 or c5). You see what I mean.
I would by no means consider myself an expert on the opening, but I did learn a lot about it by playing through Bronstein's excellent book on the Zurich 1964 tournament. The King's Indian was all the rage then, so there are dozens of well-annotated games from the world's strongest GMs.
There's a course on Chess Mentor on the KID? I will definately check that out.
I didn't realise there were so many variations of it... Maybe I should learn a couple.
Thanks for the input!
Not sure if you're asking about the KID playing white or playing black.
lol... it's much more complex than that. Of course there are some lines like in the samisch where white may castle queenside and play g4 and h4 but he won't necessarily have time for that because the fight in the center that black makes with ...c5 (most popular against the samisch to exploit the weak dark squares and sluggish development) so usually white has to keep his dark sqaures in the center protected first. Meanwhile in the classical (the most popular) white eventually closes the center with play on the queenside, black on the other wing. But it's an extremely complex and rich opening, in the insane closed positions, the subtle lines after ...exd4, and when there is still tension in the center! Where each side wants the other to commit in the center and black can also play moves like ...a6 and ...b5 and keep the tension in the center to undermine the c4 pawn. This may sound confusing if you haven't played the king's indian, and I could go on and on and on, but the point is it's very complex both tactically and positionally and you can't just settle it with "I'm just going to fling all my pawns on the kingside" because the center is often more important to take care of first. But it all depends.
The most common strategy for black is attack on the kingside with ...f5, as long as white closed the center with d5. But like I said there are many others and if white plays a certain way black can't do this plan.
Well Elubas, if you fancy teaching me about it, I'd be happy to listen to you :) You seem to know a lot about a lot of different openings...
For many years I've played the white side of the King's Indian Classical, with good results for the most part.
For my games with MM78 I did quite a bit of research, after I learned that black has a new idea in the time since John Nunn's book was published, namely playing ...dxc5 after white plays b5.
EDIT: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 o-o 6.Be2 e5 7.o-o Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2 Nd7 10.b4 f5 11.f3 Nf6 12.c5 f4 13.Nc4 g5 14.Ba3 Ng6 15.b5 dxc5
This is an example of the dxc5 idea in action. Apologies in advance if the moves are illegal, they are from memory. :-)
Please post all variation (only main line), i cant get what are you talking about.
Just to clarify Ozzy, although you probably have gathered by now, I struggle with white Vs the KID.
AnthonyCG, my Nunn book recomends 9.Nd2 as the best of these moves. The idea, compared with Ne1, is to reposition the Nf3 to c4 via d2 instead of repositioning it to d3 via e1. White's plan, in general, is to play Nd2, b4, c5, Nc4, a4, b5, a5, b6, completely destroying black's queenside. The main line, in Nunn's book, is 9.Nd2 a5, which slows white down considerably. White then has to play a3 and Rb1 to support b4.
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