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The new Blackmar-Diemer


  • 21 months ago · Quote · #1

    thehedgehog2000

    hello chess.com users, I would like to show you a variation that i personally think is the best way to get into the Blackmar-Diemer gambit.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #3

    Dark_Falcon

    pfren wrote:

    And what would you play after 4.Bc4 Nc6?

    5.c3 e5 or 5.Be3 e5 look disastrous.

    5.Nc3 Qxd4 6.Qe2 Qb6 is no fun at all, either.

    So, this leaves only the counterintuitive 5.Bb5 to be played, but this glorious Bc4/Bb5 idea can hardly be an improvement, even over an unsound gambit like the Blackmar.

    Unsound? I think you are not up to date...but maybe you can show the glorious refutation.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #6

    Kaluki

    Was expecting 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 Ne4 3. Bf4 d5 4. f3 Nf6 5. e4 dxe4 6. Nc3 etc.

    Was disappoint. 

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #7

    Kaluki

    AdvLegitimate wrote:
    Kaluki wrote:

    Was expecting 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 Ne4 3. Bf4 d5 4. f3 Nf6 5. e4 dxe4 6. Nc3 etc.

    Was disappoint. 

    ^-^ until u read my post, be not dissapoint.

    rofl... that's what I get for not looking at the other posts. Probably the only way I'd play the gambit as white.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #8

    ponz111

    You actually picked the WORSE way to get into the Blackmar Diemer.

    After your 1. d4  Nf3  2. f3?  Black can play  2. ... e6 and play along French Defense lines where your Pawn on f3 does not belong.

    Also, Black can play  2. ...c5

    Your move 2. f3? is only good if Black decides to put a Pawn on e4 and then plays exf3.

    Black does not have to go along with your plan. 

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #9

    Dark_Falcon

    ponz111 wrote:

    You actually picked the WORSE way to get into the Blackmar Diemer.

    After your 1. d4  Nf3  2. f3?  Black can play  2. ... e6 and play along French Defense lines where your Pawn on f3 does not belong.

    Also, Black can play  2. ...c5

    Your move 2. f3? is only good if Black decides to put a Pawn on e4 and then plays exf3.

    Black does not have to go along with your plan. 

    Thats correct...only 2.Nc3 is the correct move, but you also have to prepared for 2...g6 or d6 (Pirc and Modern Defence) or 2...e6 (French) and after 2...d5 3.e4 Nxe4, you have to know, how to handle the Hübsch-Gambit, it can be annoying for White, when you dont play it precisely.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #10

    Dark_Falcon

    pfren wrote:
    Dark_Falcon wrote:

    Unsound? I think you are not up to date...but maybe you can show the glorious refutation.

    Don't be lazy, try finding it yourself instead of expecting gifts. I am not Santa Clauss.

    OK, i tried to find it...but no chance Cry Maybe searching for the refutation of the BDG is like searching for the holy grail...

    From now on you are IM Bad Santa ppffren....

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #12

    Dark_Falcon

    pfren wrote:

    Oh, keep searching! Google is man's best friend.

    A small tip: Have a look at the Chesspub forum. You will find several threads where poor Lev Zilbermints (AKA gambit) claims the BDG is viable, and as proof he uses either bullet games from ICC, or deeply perforated "analyses". Oh, and his faith to chess goddess Caissa, as well.

    Actually Black has at least three ways to an advantage, with the Ziegler/ O'Kelly defense being probably the simplest.

    Then you are really not up to date...

    Study Christoph Scheerer´s new book about the BDG or if you dont want to spend the money, look at http://blackmardiemergambit.blogspot.de/

    Absolute objective sources...but to learn something, you have to stop being ignorant for facts...thats your problem...sorry

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #14

    Dark_Falcon

    pfren wrote:

    I don't study pulp, sorry for that.

    I made the big mistake to buy the other Wisnewski/ Scheerer book ( on 1...Nc6) which is absolutely ridiculous. I have no money to spend on nonsense.

    Have a look here (disregard gambit's stupid comments).

    http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1233238229/240

    Thanks for the link....

    seems to be a controversial discussion, as always, when people discuss the pro´s and con´s of the BDG, but i have to take a deeper look.

    I cant say anything about the book youve mentioned, i thought that Christoph Scheerer has a good reputation as a book author and most criitics ive read about the BDG-book were positive, because his analysis are quite deep and he didnt judge subjective for Black or White.

    I buyed this book, because i started to play the BDG not long ago and it is a great help for me.

    I have a score of 33 wins, 4 losses and 5 draws in corr.chess and also good results in OTB-matches, so i think, the BDG is a good choice for amateur tactical players, maybe not at your level, but definitely at my level (OTB 1700 - 1900)

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #15

    thehedgehog2000

    ponz111 wrote:

    You actually picked the WORSE way to get into the Blackmar Diemer.

    After your 1. d4  Nf3  2. f3?  Black can play  2. ... e6 and play along French Defense lines where your Pawn on f3 does not belong.

    Also, Black can play  2. ...c5

    Your move 2. f3? is only good if Black decides to put a Pawn on e4 and then plays exf3.

    Black does not have to go along with your plan. 

    after 2...e6 there is no need to get into a french why not just play 3.Nc3? And after c5 there is d5 and the most likely continuation will end up in a benoni and it is true that the pawn on f3 shouldn't be there in the benoni but with the set up of Be3, Qd2, h4 ect... I don't see your genius plan that led you to the assumption that 2.f3 deserves a "?"

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #16

    thehedgehog2000

    pfren wrote:

    And what would you play after 4.Bc4 Nc6?

    5.c3 e5 or 5.Be3 e5 look disastrous.

    5.Nc3 Qxd4 6.Qe2 Qb6 is no fun at all, either.

    So, this leaves only the counterintuitive 5.Bb5 to be played, but this glorious Bc4/Bb5 idea can hardly be an improvement, even over an unsound gambit like the Blackmar.

    5.Bb5 isn't so bad after 5...Bd7 6.Nc3 6...a6 7.Ba4 exf3 Nxf3 b5 Bb3 Bg4 Be3 e6 h3 Bf5 Nh4 Bg6 Nx hx Qf3 white will have the d and e files to use.

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #17

    thehedgehog2000

    AdvLegitimate wrote:
    thehedgehog2000 wrote:

     personally think is the best way to get into the Blackmar-Diemer gambit.

     

    i think i may have a better one for you actually, though you cant get into it as often, I think its the best way to reach the positions.

     

    Its an interesting way to play which ive tried once or twice. But im wary of giving away a pawn, since I dont believe my play accurate enough to capitalise.


     

    thank you. The only problem is I'm not usually in the mood to play a trompowsky against 2...c5 or 2...e6

  • 21 months ago · Quote · #19

    ponz111

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  • 21 months ago · Quote · #20

    ponz111

    First I have decided that 2. ... c5 not the best line for Black but still a French Defense set up is good.


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