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The Queenside Fried Liver


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #201

    jetfighter13

    Here is the position I am wondering about with the moves leading up to it

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #202

    NachtWulf

    Yo dudes, no need to turn this into a personal attack, even if you hold the gibberish opening (that was my first thought when I saw 'qsfl') dear to your heart. We're only here to refute/defend the lines, and demonstrate why it is or is not playable. As of right now, I don't see a single playable line for white if black plays correctly.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #203

    jetfighter13

    You are too scared to admit it. Plus you failed to adress my next question, at what move?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #204

    whatupyodog

    why does white do 5. e4, and nacht, i have refuted everyone of your lines.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #205

    NachtWulf

    whatupyodog wrote:

    Shepi explain to me the bad structure, lack of space and development. You are garbage and your input is worthless, you just say this without naming moves or stating why. Also, dr spudnick, there is no reason to bash this opening without reason and this openig was just invented by the_gavinator and I, that is why everyone doesnt play it.

    It might help your chess to learn what such concepts are instead of bashing others who make you feel ignorant. Space, defined crudely, is roughly the number of squares controlled by your pieces. Development is generally defined by the position of one's pieces--one's pieces are developed when they have left their home on the first or eighth rank. A piece is well developed when it controls several squares, preferrably at the center of the board.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #206

    shepi13

    whatupyodog wrote:

    Shepi explain to me the bad structure, lack of space and development. You are garbage and your input is worthless, you just say this without naming moves or stating why. Also, dr spudnick, there is no reason to bash this opening without reason and this openig was just invented by the_gavinator and I, that is why everyone doesnt play it.

    Bad structure - doubled pawns fixed in place, weak pawn on d3 that Nachtwulf has shown how to attack.

    Lack of space - pawn on d3 takes away lines, you can't easily gain files or space to put your pieces on.

    Lack of development - your pieces are tied to the defense of the d3 and b2 pawns, and black is going to slowly develop an initiative.

    When people name moves you say those moves will never be played and shouldn't be shown. So I instead tell you the problems with whites position, but you aren't good enough to understand what these normal chess terms mean.

    Also, my input is garbage, lol. Engines and players alike agree with me.

     

    After Nxd3 cxd3 black is .2 ahead - which is only slightly better. However, as white you are playing for an advantage, not to be slightly worse.

     

    Lol - After bxb4+ c3 dxc3 simply wins a pawn. you shut up.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #207

    NachtWulf

    whatupyodog wrote:

    why does white do 5. e4, and nacht, i have refuted everyone of your lines.

    White plays e4 to temporarily block the bishop and allow his own to place a check with Bxb4+, winning material.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #208

    DrSpudnik

    This thread has jumped the shark.

    and the shark has a laser beam!

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #209

    jetfighter13

    center control, also what would you play there

    @ what up

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #210

    shepi13

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #211

    jetfighter13

    Oh and the bishop gets a nice spot at b3 so it makes sence to give up a pawn for that

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #212

    shepi13

    I believe that some lines might be playable, but not these giberish lines that whatsupyodog came up with.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #213

    jetfighter13

    Yeah, but anyone who has a semi open mind, would look at my line, then that would be appreciated

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #214

    shepi13

    Jetfighter - I don't believe black has compensation for the pawns, but black is better than white is in most of the regular lines of this opening. It's kind of like a danish gambit: not that great but quite interesting.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #215

    whatupyodog

    Jetfighter i would either do a4 or just nc3 to be better deveopled. Also, shepi all of the lines said so far are playable, and jetfighter, sorry if i insulted you, i did not mean to.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #216

    jetfighter13

    two things, Nc3 has already been played, and a4 does nothing to develop, you are deffinately have no clue what you are talking about

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #217

    whatupyodog

    a4 wasnt done to develop, it was to do a5 or b5 if something prevented a5 that allowed b5. Sorry i ment Nf3, and i would like an apology accepted.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #218

    NachtWulf

    These are all of the lines I have discussed thus far. Black has achieved equality or better in each:



  • 3 years ago · Quote · #219

    whatupyodog

    Nacht, honestly, what are are you trying to prove with that, you did not put in one of my refutation lines which i had for every variation in that in which white clearly came out better in every one.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #220

    jetfighter13

    yes he did, every move you input, he countered, keep track of your own comments, you truly have no clue what you are talking about


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