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The Queenside Fried Liver


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #161

    whatupyodog

    Also, shepi after ra8 rc1 saves passed pawn and white can easily promote you dummy.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #162

    jetfighter13

    Bb2 adresses that

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #163

    The_Gavinator

    nacht, white playing 6 Nc3 is a dummy move. He would play Na3, however a good white player wouldn't put himself in that position anyways.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #164

    whatupyodog

    then rc2 and white wins easily

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #165

    jetfighter13

    then Rxa2 and the position is a draw

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #166

    tacticisacting123

    Well,than ithink that after d4 d5 nc3 now, the best is cosidered nf6 so, you play bf4,yes? Then, my idea is to play c5.it is considered that it is Good to play c5 in the openings there c4 isnt played. So,if nb5 than qa5 + and if dc5 than e6 and black gets the pawn back. Anything i missed/any thoughts?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #167

    The_Gavinator

    I see where you're going, how would you continue if dxc5?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #168

    whatupyodog

    You're wrong but this crap doesnt matter anyways because noone would ever be in this position, we are talking 21 moves deep, that has to do with skill, not the opening. In conclusion, this arguement doesnt matter because a skilled player who had that position from the qsfl would have won easily. You are dumb.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #169

    tacticisacting123

    gravinator,

    im not sure but i think e6 reganis the pawn with an active position.example:4...e6 b4(how else white can hold up to the pawn?İ think it is better to develop your pieces.nf3 is good,maybe even f3!? looking towards to push e4)a5 and black gets the pawn back.

    Also i learned that 2.nc3 is called veresov variation,that it aims to play e4 and after e4 is pushed it may be similar or even can transpose into an e4 opening!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #170

    shepi13

    whatupyodog wrote:

    Also, shepi after ra8 rc1 saves passed pawn and white can easily promote you dummy.

     
    Whatupyodog: There are multiple ways that white can win a pawn after Rc1, and you are obviously not very good. Any player with half a knowledge of chess endings should know that rook endings with a 1 pawn imbalance are usually drawn. Even if it is a win it is extremely difficult for white to win this position you dummy. And you obviously can't calculate either - On Rc1 Bb2 Rc2 Rxa2 Bc1 attempting to pin Ra1 and black actually wins. On Rc1 Bb2 Rc2 Rxa2 Bd4 Ra1 Black wins as well. So I don't understand your dumb and insulting way of thinking.


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #171

    NachtWulf

    The_Gavinator wrote:

    nacht, white playing 6 Nc3 is a dummy move. He would play Na3, however a good white player wouldn't put himself in that position anyways.

    So what would this "good white player" play instead?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #172

    NachtWulf

    whatupyodog wrote:

    Nachtwolf, you are obviously not very good, after na6 no white player who isnt absolute garbage would play nf3, and after a move such as e3 instead, whites position is superior. So, this opening remains unrefuted.



  • 2 years ago · Quote · #173

    NachtWulf

    Another reasonable response:



  • 2 years ago · Quote · #174

    jetfighter13

    whatupyodog, calling people dumb just because they dissagree with you is not a sign of intelligence, and may be the reason why extraterrestrials avoid this planet. Back to Earth only matters, it was a possible, not probbable middle game, but Black successfully beat back the white attempts at a fork, gained better development, and castled to safety while white floundered about in the hopes of cripling black with the Moronic threat of an early fork that is supposedly undefendable. in addition you have failed to provide a continuation that apears winning for white at the end of the opening, and you have also failed to provide a deviation, so I would not be calling anyone dumb until you provide those and they have been analysed by more than just you.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #175

    The_Gavinator

    jetfighter, you pulling a 20 move midgame out of your butt doesn't refute this opening. We never said the fork is undefendable, but the point is black's position suffers whilst defending the fork. The midgame you provided is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with the opening.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #176

    whatupyodog

    Nachtwulf, 4. b4  ,   still unrefuted. Also jetfighter, i am completely disregarding you, you make no point and just played against yourself to try to bash this opening.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #177

    The_Gavinator

    nachtwulf, here you go



  • 2 years ago · Quote · #178

    shepi13

    Nxd3 followed by e6, Bd6 (or Be7 or Bb4), and castles, and black has at least equalized The_Gavinator, which is not what white is looking for out of the opening.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #179

    shepi13

    And I would almost always meet Bf4 with c5 anyways.



  • 2 years ago · Quote · #180

    NachtWulf

    whatupyodog wrote:

    Nachtwulf, 4. b4  ,   still unrefuted. Also jetfighter, i am completely disregarding you, you make no point and just played against yourself to try to bash this opening.

    Although it may seem that I can pull lines out of thin air and make some nonsense up, some of these ideas were actually taken from the practitioners of this opening Wink (or rather, the opponents' thereof). I merely spent a little time tweaking the moves of both sides, and was actually ran the results through an engine as well.

    P.S. 4. b4 is met by 4. ...cxd4 5. Qxd4 Nc6.

    Edit: My bad, I thought the latter comment was directed at me.


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