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30th June 2008, 01:25pm
#1
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
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is it possible to play the ruy lopez or the scotch game against the sicilian defense and have great results. also if you play the scotch's defense against the ruy lopez could you but the king's bishop in the corner to help protect the e pawn? thanks for your comments i'll be back on later

30th June 2008, 01:55pm
#2
by Omicron
Buenos Aires Argentina
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 76

I don't quite get your point. The problem is that openings like the Sicilian or the Ruy Lopez are defined by the moves of both players. So if White plays 1-e4 and black answers 1.... c5 then it's allready a sicilian. However I believe one of the many lines of the sicilian begins with the same moves for white as the Ruy lopez... so unless I'm wrong in this, it's perfectly fine for white to do as follows. 


30th June 2008, 02:04pm
#3
by DaoudLS
Melrose Scotland
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 8

Hi young_roy123, 

After 1.e4 e5, 2.Nf3 Nc6 White can choose (amongst others) the Lopez (3.Bb5) or the Scotch (3.d4). These are White openings, so you can't play the Scotch against the Lopez; nor can you play the Lopez or the Scotch against the Sicilian, as Black has played 1... c5, (not 1...e5) - although you can play 3.Bc5 against the Sicilian.

Finally, putting the king's bishop in the corner - do you mean playing pawn to g3 followed by bishop to g2 (a fianchetto)? If so, then this would no longer be a Lopez, as 3.Bb5 is what makes the Lopez the Lopez! It would also be against the whole nature of the Lopez where White is aiming to pressure Black's e pawn (the Bishop on b5 threatens the Knight on c6 which is the sole supporter of the e5 pawn, which is attacked by the Knight on f3).

Hope this helps! :-) 

 

 


30th June 2008, 02:57pm
#4
by diskamyl
International
Member Since: Jun 2008
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young_roy123 wrote:

is it possible to play the ruy lopez or the scotch game against the sicilian defense and have great results. also if you play the scotch's defense against the ruy lopez could you but the king's bishop in the corner to help protect the e pawn? thanks for your comments i'll be back on later


 a 1628 rated player asks if he could play the ruy against the sicilian? with phrases like "putting the king's bishop in the corner" ? hmm... interesting.

 I bet you'll be a grandmaster in a few years since it's obvious you have gained such a high rating without the slightest knowledge about the game. You should be really talented.  


30th June 2008, 04:44pm
#5
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 179
diskamyl wrote: young_roy123 wrote:

is it possible to play the ruy lopez or the scotch game against the sicilian defense and have great results. also if you play the scotch's defense against the ruy lopez could you but the king's bishop in the corner to help protect the e pawn? thanks for your comments i'll be back on later


 a 1628 rated player asks if he could play the ruy against the sicilian? with phrases like "putting the king's bishop in the corner" ? hmm... interesting.

 I bet you'll be a grandmaster in a few years since it's obvious you have gained such a high rating without the slightest knowledge about the game. You should be really talented.  


were you joking around or being serious and i made a mistake i meant the scotchs game against the sicilian. i said the king's bishop in the corner because i had a brain cramp and forgot how to spell the word i was looking for dick face


30th June 2008, 08:56pm
#6
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 520
young_roy, think diskamyl was complementing you, I may be wrong but still no need to get upset.
1st July 2008, 12:34pm
#7
by Badenstein
Ohio United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 27
young_roy123 wrote:

is it possible to play the ruy lopez or the scotch game against the sicilian defense and have great results. also if you play the scotch's defense against the ruy lopez could you but the king's bishop in the corner to help protect the e pawn? thanks for your comments i'll be back on later


Chess openings are defined by what both players play not just one side.  The Ruy Lopez is defined by the following moves  1. e4 e5  2. Nf3  Nc6  3. Bb5.  Anything other than that is not the Ruy Lopez.  Maybe if you stated what moves you wanted to play agains the Sicilian, we can give you better help.


1st July 2008, 01:42pm
#8
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 179
well badenstein that may be true i'll look up which sicilian i wanted to play it against and last question for a while do you think i can play the french defense against the queen pawn opening
1st July 2008, 01:51pm
#9
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 1117
young_roy123 wrote: well badenstein that may be true i'll look up which sicilian i wanted to play it against and last question for a while do you think i can play the french defense against the queen pawn opening

 Yeah, sure... give it a try.


1st July 2008, 01:55pm
#10
by GotGoose
Indiana United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 237
young_roy123 wrote: well badenstein that may be true i'll look up which sicilian i wanted to play it against and last question for a while do you think i can play the french defense against the queen pawn opening

 The Queen's Gambit Declined looks like the French pawn structure except white has not advanced his e-pawn.  Obviously, the game will consist of different moves than would be played in the French Defense.


1st July 2008, 02:02pm
#11
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 179
i mean by white playing d4 first then black plays e6 then white plays c4 followed by blacks d5 or is that the same thing you did up there lol srry im tired
1st July 2008, 02:19pm
#12
by Badenstein
Ohio United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 27
There are a few replies to Queen's Gambit that have the d5 e6 pawn structure for black.  The Slav is one.  By asking to play French against the Queen's Gambit I am assuming you want a strong defensive reply.  Many Caro-Kann player use the Slav vs Queen's Gambit.  I have been told the CK and French have a few things in common.
1st July 2008, 02:36pm
#13
by GotGoose
Indiana United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 237
young_roy123 wrote: i mean by white playing d4 first then black plays e6 then white plays c4 followed by blacks d5 or is that the same thing you did up there lol srry im tired

 Yes, playing e6 first is very playable.  I have played that move before.  If you like to play the French Defense against 1. e4, then playing e6 first gives your opponent an opportunity to play e4, transposing into the true French.


1st July 2008, 02:51pm
#14
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 179
so the slav the caro kann and french all work good against the queen's gambit
1st July 2008, 05:10pm
#15
by Badenstein
Ohio United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 27

The Slav is black's system vs a Queen's Gambit.

The Caro Kann and French are systems vs a King's Pawn opening.

Ruben Fine wrote a book "Ideas Behind the Chess Openings" and John Emms wrote "Discovering Chess Openings."  Both are good books that will help you understand openings. 

Take a look at the Game's Explorer here or elsewhere to see how these black defenses work in real games.
1st July 2008, 05:32pm
#16
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 179
i think i got it know but last question can you try slav defense as white? would that work?
1st July 2008, 05:34pm
#17
by Badenstein
Ohio United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 27
Yes.  But the best openings always take what your opponent is doing.  You can't just play a series of memorized moves.  You must play based upon what your opponent is doing.  Some defenses for Black work ok as a white opening.  Sometimes, those reversed, or openings played for the opposite color, openings have different names when they are reversed.
1st July 2008, 06:03pm
#18
by young_roy123
Germany
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 179
oo ok i see what your saying react to what your opponent is doing along with what your trying to do
 

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