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31st October 2007, 05:30pm
#1
by chesscrazy127
davidson United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 69

I like the kings gambit but I need help on it!

31st October 2007, 05:57pm
#2
by chesscrazy127
davidson United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 69
Narkon wrote:

What sort of help?

And on which KG? 


Just genral info and, do you think it is a good opening? what is your favorete line of it? anithing. all lines. 


31st October 2007, 07:56pm
#3
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 4462

chessgames.com is a database of master and/or historical games

it has 7340 King Gambits

3342 of which white wins

2767 of which black wins

1231 of which are draws

4908 are KGA of which white wins 2194 and black wins 1912

2432 are KGD of which white wins 1148 and black wins 885.

(the numbers above only represent the database and shouldn't be used to make any blanket conclusions about the opening itself.) 

All the above links lead to a sub-list of those games from oldest to latest, each of which can be clicked on and played through. One good way to learn an opening is to see how the masters play them. That way you not only see book moves, but you also learn why some moves aren't very good.


31st October 2007, 09:20pm
#4
by Singa
Singapore
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 228
There's somebody here who have writtten a lot "about chess"  in chess.com. and people are impressed.  But the 'litmus test" (sorry, a chemistry term, I am using)  of our chess prowess and knowledge is how good we are at the chessboard. We can pretend to know a lot, but we have to  prove it in actual play! It is here that all our knowledge and expertise is revealed for all to see! Dr. Siebert Tarrasch, a great chess-master, of the 19th century once said in exasperation, I quote, "Those who CAN play chess!  Those who CAN'T write about it!"  unquote.   I repeat,  my request to play a game with this person just to test her.  It  really doesn't  matter whether I win or lose, because I am not a chess-master  neither am I a chess professional!  Let's just play for the fun of it!
31st October 2007, 09:56pm
#5
by jkor
lecce Italy
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 186

What the KGA and KGD acronyms are for ?


31st October 2007, 10:05pm
#6
by jkor
lecce Italy
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 186
Singa wrote: There's somebody here who have writtten a lot "about chess"  in chess.com. and people are impressed.  But the 'litmus test" (sorry, a chemistry term, I am using)  of our chess prowess and knowledge is how good we are at the chessboard. We can pretend to know a lot, but we have to  prove it in actual play! It is here that all our knowledge and expertise is revealed for all to see! Dr. Siebert Tarrasch, a great chess-master, of the 19th century once said in exasperation, I quote, "Those who CAN play chess!  Those who CAN'T write about it!"  unquote.   I repeat,  my request to play a game with this person just to test her.  It  really doesn't  matter whether I win or lose, because I am not a chess-master  neither am I a chess professional!  Let's just play for the fun of it!

This is really childish.


31st October 2007, 10:16pm
#7
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

jkor, the King's Gambit is 1.e4 e5 2.f4

 

If Black accepts the pawn (2...exf4) we enter the King's Gambit Accepted (KGA). If Black declines the pawn (anything else) we enter the King's Gambit Declined (KGD). 


31st October 2007, 10:23pm
#8
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

Here's an illustrative game that shows how tactical and interesting playing the King's Gambit can be! (Bonus points if anyone recognizes it) Smile

 


31st October 2007, 10:24pm
#9
by jkor
lecce Italy
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 186

Off course. I'm sorry, probably it was a very inconsequential question, but english acronyms really drive me crazy.

Thank you very much, anyway.


31st October 2007, 10:30pm
#10
by HotFlow
KL, Malaysia Malaysia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2271

Working off the numbers and doing the maths the declined looks worse for black then the accepted just by the averages.  But I guess that is because it is less played and there hasn't been scrutinised as much at master level.

 


31st October 2007, 10:35pm
#11
by jkor
lecce Italy
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 186

What about the Falkbeer countergambit?
According to chessgames.com it has the following record:

white wins: 39.2%

black wins: 43.5%

draws: 17.3%


31st October 2007, 11:20pm
#12
by Singa
Singapore
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 228
Dear jkor,   You wouldn't say it's childish if you had been attacked so vehemently for something  you had written with "tongue in cheek"!  I indicated this in my post by ,including the exclamation "Heh!" Heh!", when I narrated the scene at the opera house where Morphy played his famous game against the two noblemen. Actually nobody can really know what transpired there at that time! It was more than 150 years ago! The score of the game may have been recorded and kept. But can anyone to-day, really claim to  know what happened there? Whatever record we have of the incident,   whether from the internet or from of our library and database  here at chess.com,  must necessarily come from "hearsay", and "stories" being  told and written down from one generation to the next!  For instance how do we know that Morphy was a close friend of the Duke and Count. The aristocracy in Europe at that time was very snobbish and pompous!
1st November 2007, 12:25am
#13
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 4407

Singa, you are a chess coach with years of experience teaching and playing. And batgirl is an experienced chess historian. You both have interesting viewpoints and info that everyone could benefit from. I wish the personal conflict could be settled somehow. Hmm... maybe a batgirl-Singa match is not such a bad idea. Wink


I actually think it's great you ask your students to study Morphy. Long ago I played quickly through many of his games for ideas, but now I'm studying them more slowly to improve my calculcation skills. They're a veritable goldmine. And yes, a similar effort would also help chesscrazy learn about the King's Gambit!


1st November 2007, 02:21am
#14
by miyagi
Phillip Island Australia
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 100
I like to play KG a lot as it usually is an interesting game each time and is full of traps and tricks
1st November 2007, 02:26am
#15
by greyfox
manila, philippines Philippines
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 182
likesforests wrote:

Here's an illustrative game that shows how tactical and interesting playing the King's Gambit can be! (Bonus points if anyone recognizes it)

 

 


 spassky-fischer??


1st November 2007, 02:51am
#16
by batgirl
NC United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 4462
Paul Morphy vs Amateur
1st November 2007, 03:14am
#17
by Singa
Singapore
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 228
likesforests,   thank you for your comment.  I feel a little better now!  Its  just that  I  do not like to be insulted by  a  young  person  who showed no respect for the  other guy's  feelings! 
1st November 2007, 06:24am
#18
by HotFlow
KL, Malaysia Malaysia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 2271

Singa

 

Just because someone disagrees with what you say doesn't mean they are trying to insult your knowledge or intelligents.

 

But from your own viewpoint I understand why you see such things as insulting because of the customs in this part of this world.  Respect for elders and all that malarkey.  (bare in mind)

 

I have to say though people in this part of the world are very easily aggravated I wonder if some of that can be put down to all those hot chillies. 

 


1st November 2007, 08:53am
#19
by KingLeopold
Scottsdale, AZ. United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 366

I teach the KGA to my students. I don't stress lines of play, but instead I try and teach what idea you are trying to achieve when play a particular opening. With that in mind, I tell my students the King's Gambit has 2 goals:

1.Domination of the centre.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2.Focus all your pieces on the square f7!


1st November 2007, 09:06am
#20
by Etienne
Montreal, Quebec Canada
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 780
Singa I would stop that right now as it's not in your favor. First, it had nothing to do with the topic, and second playing abilities have nothing to do with historical knowledge. As it is, you only sound like a grumpy old man who takes offense because he's been refuted.
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