Unorthodox opening

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29th January 2009, 08:06am
#1
by Jaguarphd
California United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 652

White to play

It was a 5 minute tournament.

He played 1. f3 Then I play the normal d5 move. He then played and even more shocking 2. kf2

I would mark both of them with question marks. The guy is a rated 1800+ member. This was an open, unrated tournament. His opening through me off.  I lost.

How would I handle this one?

29th January 2009, 08:17am
#2
by m74m2008
Spencer, IN United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 577

I would probably play 2...e5, then perhaps follow with Bc5+ or Qh4+

An interesting opening, that...The Game Explorer suggests 2...e5, with 3...Bc5 or 3...Nf6 to follow. I'd think that if you just played solid developing moves, you would probably be alright, even if the opening was a bit bizarre.

29th January 2009, 08:19am
#3
by CarlMI
White Post, VA United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 676

Simply, classically, grab the center, develop your pieces, don't look for an instant win or huge advantage.  d5, e5, Nf6, Bc5, etc. The guy probably plays this all the time for blitz with the idea of disconcerting his opponent, taking him out of the book and comfort zone.  It works.  How much time did you lose just from "What the @#$ is that?  OMG What do I do now?"

29th January 2009, 02:20pm
#4
by Jaguarphd
California United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 652
The instant Bc5+ losses to d4. Blocking the attacking, controlling the center, and developing at the same time. I played that.
29th January 2009, 08:14pm
#5
by IrishChessWizard
Dublin Ireland
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 161

Just play normally... that is the best advice. But you should also be aware of tactics which may occur so take your time. By the way, don't think that because your opponent has played 1.f3 that you should be able to punish him for it. All this move does is show that White does not want to play opening theory and try to seek an advantage from the opening. Pretty much anything you play should equalize pretty quickly, and as Black, you should be happy with that from the opening.

If you push too much for an advantage or even a mate! it may, and probably will backfire on you. Then again, if you see chances for a win, don't sit back. Take them chances if they are plausible.

30th January 2009, 03:04am
#6
by CarlMI
White Post, VA United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 676

So who said anything about instant?  Play classically, develop, dominate.  If you've done this then Bc5 does work. f3 d5 kf2 e5 g3 Nc6 Bg2 Bc5+.  I really have no idea of what White's plan was/is, maybe e3, Bb5, Ne2, d4 targeting e5.  If you want some patterns look at the f3 lines in the Indian defenses, possibly some colle lines.

30th January 2009, 06:02am
#7
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 22443

The Fried Fox Pork Chop opening.

30th January 2009, 07:34pm
#8
by Skipp
Pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 53

I played a game earlier this week with Fritz, and it played Kf2 on move 5. I didn't understand the purpose of the move either. I have included the game if anyone would like to look and see why it might have been made. Remember, I just a beginner, trying to move up to the exalted level of patzer.

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30th January 2009, 07:46pm
#9
by SouthernMan
Harrisonburg, VA United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 41

Isn't this the bongcloud opening?

30th January 2009, 07:50pm
#10
by vwang
Yemen
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 35

wow Skipp you owned Fritz.

30th January 2009, 07:58pm
#11
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 1340

@skipp -- You were playing some ultra handicap level, certainly -- Fritz at full strength is 2700+ and yet you won...so I'm pretty sure it was handicapped heavily. Kf2 was a "random" move brought on by the handicap. Kf2 is not book of anything. It's just Fritz being weird and giving you concessions you haven't really earned.

30th January 2009, 08:05pm
#12
by Skipp
Pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 53
JG27Pyth wrote:

@skipp -- You were playing some ultra handicap level, certainly -- Fritz at full strength is 2700+ and yet you won...so I'm pretty sure it was handicapped heavily. Kf2 was a "random" move brought on by the handicap. Kf2 is not book of anything. It's just Fritz being weird and giving you concessions you haven't really earned.


I was playing at the "friend" level and it showed a 100 pt level [whatever that means].

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30th January 2009, 08:07pm
#13
by Skipp
Pennsylvania United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 53
SouthernMan wrote:

Isn't this the bongcloud opening?


What in the world is the 'bongcloud' opening? I haven't started studying any particular openings, just the basic principles.

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30th January 2009, 08:20pm
#14
by ivandh
GA United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 481

Skipp, the bongcloud is named after one Lenny Bongcloud, and is particular to chess.com.

Traditional bongcloud is 1. e3 ... 2. Ke2, but this follows the same developing principles (aiming to develop the king to the 8th rank). It is a sharp line that is not for those who are obsessed with the whole "winning" idea.

I would disagree with the claims above, of trying to dominate the center, especially as black. When I am confronted with an unusual opening and can't see an obvious counter, I give my opponent a little room in my development, with the idea that the opening must be unusual for a reason, and at some point weaknesses will emerge. On the other hand, outplaying an 1800+ may not be realistic depending on your own skills, whatever opening is used.

 

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