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22nd January 2009, 07:43pm
#1
by stanhope13
The Celestial City or Armageddon United Kingdom
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Why are people drawn to unorthodox openings, is it snobery, elitistism or some thing more prosaic?      try UNORTHODOX CHESS OPENINGS.  yahoo groups.

22nd January 2009, 07:45pm
#2
by PawnOfAThousandPawns
Lexington United States
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I think it's because less people know those, so it gives the people who DO know the opening an edge, because the less knowledgable people will most likely fall for some common trap in the opening.

22nd January 2009, 07:46pm
#3
by staggerlee
Clermont-Ferrand France
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It's also a way for newer players to avoid getting into trouble in main lines when they don't have as much knowledge of theory.  

22nd January 2009, 07:48pm
#4
by stanhope13
The Celestial City or Armageddon United Kingdom
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PawnOfAThousandPawns wrote:

I think it's because less people know those, so it gives the people who DO know the opening an edge, because the less knowledgable people will most likely fall for some common trap in the opening.


 good point.

22nd January 2009, 07:50pm
#5
by PawnOfAThousandPawns
Lexington United States
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For example, 1. d4 is becoming much more popular nowadays. People are worried about the amount of possibilities after 1. e4

22nd January 2009, 07:54pm
#6
by onewho_dies
United States
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I think people like them because they are new and refreshing. Breathing life into the sometimes trying game of chess.

22nd January 2009, 07:56pm
#7
by PawnOfAThousandPawns
Lexington United States
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I personally don't like openings that have those sharp opening traps, because I feel that they kind of take away from the greatness of chess.

22nd January 2009, 07:57pm
#8
by stanhope13
The Celestial City or Armageddon United Kingdom
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another good point, e4 is unfashionible.  why?

22nd January 2009, 07:58pm
#9
by PawnOfAThousandPawns
Lexington United States
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It's cliche, perhaps?

22nd January 2009, 08:00pm
#10
by stanhope13
The Celestial City or Armageddon United Kingdom
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PawnOfAThousandPawns wrote:

I personally don't like openings that have those sharp opening traps, because I feel that they kind of take away from the greatness of chess.


 elaborate please.   whats greatness?

22nd January 2009, 08:03pm
#11
by PawnOfAThousandPawns
Lexington United States
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Like I find chess to be good because it's kind of balanced for both players. Yeah, I have heard about the black is not as good thing, but I mean, just because you're a certain age, a certain gender, a certain race, etc, doesn't really decide your chess playing strength.

But those little traps, I find them to be a little "cheap". I dunno - they kind of take the fun out of the game, when you've just fallen into some quick opening trap.

22nd January 2009, 08:04pm
#12
by staggerlee
Clermont-Ferrand France
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stanhope13 wrote:

another good point, e4 is unfashionible.  why?


1.e4 is frequently met with ...c5, the Sicilian Defense, which gives some of the very highest success rates for black.  And there is tons of theory associated with it, which can be daunting.

22nd January 2009, 08:06pm
#13
by PawnOfAThousandPawns
Lexington United States
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I've had a pretty good record vs the Sicilian.

22nd January 2009, 10:33pm
#14
by dlordmagic
greenville, SC United States
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PawnOfAThousandPawns wrote:

Like I find chess to be good because it's kind of balanced for both players. Yeah, I have heard about the black is not as good thing, but I mean, just because you're a certain age, a certain gender, a certain race, etc, doesn't really decide your chess playing strength.

But those little traps, I find them to be a little "cheap". I dunno - they kind of take the fun out of the game, when you've just fallen into some quick opening trap.


 I dunno. I learn the most after i have made a serious blunder in the opening. When i play in a USCF tourney, where you have just paid an entry fee, I use whateveer legal tactics i can to get the win. Cheap or otherwise. If my opponnent respects my playing ability, then he will attempt the same thing.

25th January 2009, 02:36am
#15
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
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For many, myself included, UCO's are appealing because they offer the possibility of making new discoveries or venturing into unexplored territory.  Most of the mainstream openings have been analyzed to death but that's not the case with UCO's. 

When you love an opening it doesn't matter how objectively sound it is -- you love it because it's fun to play.  Despite what you think, it's actually possible to win a chess game with an opening that's never been played at the GM-level.  But I suspect you know that already.  That's probably what prompted this thread....

25th January 2009, 07:10pm
#16
by stanhope13
The Celestial City or Armageddon United Kingdom
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no i didn,t, its just that some UCO do seem shock value only, made me wonder.

26th January 2009, 12:39am
#17
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
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It's more anti-elitism, the will to play moves that the good players don't.

Perhaps it's insecurity, people can blame their loss on their "risky gambit" instead of on their own mistakes.

26th January 2009, 08:43am
#18
by aadaam
International
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I seem to find it best to start learning mainstream, main-line, middle of the road, common and popular openings and gradually work my way out to the obscure regions everyones on about ( this two-decade process is now well under way!).

I seem to encounter 'normal' openings ( say, some version of QGD) much, much, much more often than wierdo openings (say, some kind of Grob three-pawn gambit) so it makes sense (to me) to familiarise myself with the common stuff first.

Smile

26th January 2009, 11:15am
#19
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
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Member Points: 2573
Scarblac wrote:

Perhaps it's insecurity, people can blame their loss on their "risky gambit" instead of on their own mistakes.


Or perhaps it's that they enjoy delivering a psychological sucker punch to their opponent by winning a game with an opening that's theoretically unsound?

To each his own.

25th March 2009, 05:39pm
#20
by stanhope13
The Celestial City or Armageddon United Kingdom
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Member Points: 365

i,m impressed, all replies were sound and helpful, devoid of the somewhat pointless and childish replies.

 

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