Thanks for the info.. It is a cool site but the games listed for that opening are not really what I'm looking for.

Givin' it is such an unagresive opening I guess people just would rather play more popular ones. I must admit when I do play it often I find myself cramped and fighting for room to move. So I have left it for now for my prefered english open. I also have been looking into Reti. Both have similar lines I think to the amsterdam (a variation of Van 't Kruijs).