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Vienna Game


  • 20 months ago · Quote · #1

    Mordac

    Any particular lines in this opening that you find very useful?

    My favorite would be 3.e4 as white. I've never had the opportunity to play against it as black

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #2

    rooperi

    I think you have something mixed up. The Vienna starts with 1 e4

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #3

    Mordac

    Ooops. Sorry, I meant 3.f4

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #4

    RainbowRising

    Well you can't really play 3.f4 after 2....Nf6, cos then 3...d5 and you might as well agree to a draw then and there, and that's if you're rated above your opponent!

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #5

    FessMate

    I like the fianchetto variation in vienna game

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #6

    JG27Pyth

    RainbowRising wrote:

    Well you can't really play 3.f4 after 2....Nf6, cos then 3...d5 and you might as well agree to a draw then and there, and that's if you're rated above your opponent!


    The Game explorer's database stats don't really support this... They call it the Vienna gambit -- it seems to produce quite a few decisive games, with wins for both sides. I don't have any practical experience with this opening... seems like the King's Gambit for grownups. It's appealing.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #7

    RainbowRising

    Well I play the Vienna Game exclusively against 1...e5, and that line is no good for white, especially when you play the VG for one main reason - to gambit a pawn and get an attack.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #8

    ogerboy

    RainbowRising wrote:

    Well you can't really play 3.f4 after 2....Nf6, cos then 3...d5 and you might as well agree to a draw then and there, and that's if you're rated above your opponent!


    I wouldn't call the Vienna the most ambitious of opening play by White either.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #9

    RainbowRising

    Well it really depends on the level of play we are talking about. I've crushed (and I do mean crushed) many players OTB with it - in my eyes it's a sounder version of the KG.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #10

    Atos

    I am not clear about who is talking about Vienna Game and who about Vienna Gambit here.

    In the Vienna Game, what's the verdict on the Dracula-Frankenstein variation ?

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #11

    JG27Pyth

    RainbowRising wrote:

    Well I play the Vienna Game exclusively against 1...e5, and that line is no good for white, especially when you play the VG for one main reason - to gambit a pawn and get an attack.


    The stats do suggest that playing 1.e4. e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.f4 gives Black better chances for a win than White would typically want to allow... but for a confident or aggressive White player the line seems perfectly playable.

    Here's a high rated game from the lovely GM Hou Yifan

    earlier this year, with White winning in the line given above.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #12

    RainbowRising

    Look at the rating difference... She could have won playing just about any opening.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #13

    JG27Pyth

    RainbowRising wrote:

    Look at the rating difference... She could have won playing just about any opening.


    I picked that game because it was played so recently. GM level players (other than Naka) really don't play a lot of "that line is no good" openings.

    Here's a pair of super GMs. Ivanchuk, the lower rated player, with White, wins. Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying this is the greatest line for White ever but you seemed to me to be suggesting it's unplayable -- I'm saying it's not unplayable. It's blitz. But it's entertaining.

     

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #14

    AnthonyCG

    Well when you're trying to wrong foot an Alekhine player with that rating, there isn't much in the way of aggressive play unless you're willing to learn the theory.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #15

    RainbowRising

    In your counter example the lower rated player is 20 points below, not 200+. Do you realise the odds of winning that a 232 point difference makes?


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