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what do you think about this defense?

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #1

    CerebralAssassin

    ...I've seen this curious defense played against me 2-3 times before...then I used it myself a few times with some success.what do u guys think of it....and what is it called?

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #2

    beardogjones

    Baltic Defense

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #3

    nogales

    baltic defense

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #4

    TomKF

    The idea is having your Bishop not having closed in after continuing with c6 and e6. After normal moves black has an easy game...

    If it was that easy people would prefer this defence over the Slav. Too bad life aint that easy:

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #5

    IM pfren

    If Black likes suffering in an endgame where white has more space and the bishop pair, then this opening is fine.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #6

    TomKF

    pfren wrote:

    If Black likes suffering in an endgame where white has more space and the bishop pair, then this opening is fine.

    I played this opening myself, but was never forced to go into an endgame right away, do you got a line? 

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #7

    CerebralAssassin

    TomKF wrote:
    pfren wrote:

    If Black likes suffering in an endgame where white has more space and the bishop pair, then this opening is fine.

    I played this opening myself, but was never forced to go into an endgame right away, do you got a line? 

    do u play this opening often?

    hmm...I don't seem to be getting into endgames right away either...just some odd tactical positions Tongue out

    I think black is fine after...

    meh...still prefer the QGA over this....but it's a good surprise weapon me thinks
  • 4 months ago · Quote · #8

    IM pfren

    TomKF wrote:
    pfren wrote:

    If Black likes suffering in an endgame where white has more space and the bishop pair, then this opening is fine.

    I played this opening myself, but was never forced to go into an endgame right away, do you got a line? 

    There are two different endgames, both quite unpleasant:

    3.cd5 Bxb1 4.Qa4+ c6 5.dc6!? (probably better than 5.Rxb1 Qxd5 6.Nf3 Nd7 when black does not stand too badly) Nxc6 6.Rxb1 Qxd4 (6...e5 7.Bd2 ed4 8.g3 is better for white) 7.Qxd4 Nxd4 8.e3 is the first one.

    The second one is 4...Qd7!? 5.Qxd7 Nxd7 6.Rxb1 Ngf6, but this is not terribly good, either:

     

     

    And finally, Black is not OK after 3...Nf6 4.Nf3! Nxd5 5.Nbd2.
  • 4 months ago · Quote · #9

    CerebralAssassin

    pfren wrote:
    TomKF wrote:
    pfren wrote:

    If Black likes suffering in an endgame where white has more space and the bishop pair, then this opening is fine.

    I played this opening myself, but was never forced to go into an endgame right away, do you got a line? 

    There are two different endgames, both quite unpleasant:

    3.cd5 Bxb1 4.Qa4+ c6 5.dc6!? (probably better than 5.Rxb1 Qxd5 6.Nf3 Nd7 when black does not stand too badly) Nxc6 6.Rxb1 Qxd4 (6...e5 7.Bd2 ed4 8.g3 is better for white) 7.Qxd4 Nxd4 8.e3 is the first one.

    The second one is 4...Qd7!? 5.Qxd7 Nxd7 6.Rxb1 Ngf6, but this is not terribly good, either:

     

     

    And finally, Black is not OK after 3...Nf6 4.Nf3! Nxd5 5.Nbd2.

    ouch....you're right...Nbd2 is quite painful for black...why didn't I consider that?a fork is threatened...the knight is gonna have to move again...it's gonna be a mess in a hurry Yell people play 5.Nc3 against me haha

    so what other openings u recommend (besides the usual slav....) against d4?

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #10

    TomKF

    pfren wrote:
    TomKF wrote:
    pfren wrote:

    There are two different endgames, both quite unpleasant:

    3.cd5 Bxb1 4.Qa4+ c6 5.dc6!? (probably better than 5.Rxb1 Qxd5 6.Nf3 Nd7 when black does not stand too badly) Nxc6 6.Rxb1 Qxd4 (6...e5 7.Bd2 ed4 8.g3 is better for white) 7.Qxd4 Nxd4 8.e3 is the first one.

    Thanks. I only knew 6...Qd5 (instead of Qxd4 and ...e5). Perhaps white has an improvement

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #11

    IM pfren

    The "unusual" Chebanenko Slav is OK, as well as a regular Semi-Slav (too much theory though) or some QGD Lasker (preferrably via the Alatorchev 3...Be7 move order, which avoids the annoying QGD exchange variations).

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #12

    IM pfren

    TomKF wrote:

    Thanks. I only knew 6...Qd5 (instead of Qxd4 and ...e5). Perhaps white has an improvement

    I vaguely remember that against 6...Qd5 White should play not 6.Nf3, but rather 7.e3, which allows answering 7...e5 with 8.b4!

    But I cannot find any games played like that, so it may be worth a try by Black. Fisrt looks are not very encouraging, but who knows...

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #13

    CerebralAssassin

    pfren wrote:

    The "unusual" Chebanenko Slav is OK, as well as a regular Semi-Slav (too much theory though) or some QGD Lasker (preferrably via the Alatorchev 3...Be7 move order, which avoids the annoying QGD exchange variations).

    I looked up the Chebanenko...weird opening indeed...but I'm a sucker for odd openings so I'll give it a try...looks intruiging enoughLaughing

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