what is the best move for white in this position?

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29th November 2008, 04:19pm
#1
by DPG1232
Montreal China
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 537

Ruy Lopez: Exchange Variation, Lutikov Variation

I get caught with a lot of these. What do I  do next?

Note: Go to the end.

29th November 2008, 04:39pm
#2
by dlordmagic
greenville, SC United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 406

Ng4 saves the knight, and blocks the queens attack on g2. After black moves the d pawn to open the bishops attack on to the knight. Then follow with Ne3, to again save the the knight and stop the queens attack on g2. White has lost time, but the game is still playable.

29th November 2008, 04:47pm
#3
by Gin7
Federal District Argentina
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 74

or Qf3, but loses the knight. nice analysis dlordmagic :)

29th November 2008, 05:12pm
#4
by DPG1232
Montreal China
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 537

Nice. I like Ng4 too.

29th November 2008, 05:13pm
#5
by dmeng
Knoxville, TN United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 308

I don't know what the normal move is, but everyone I seem to ask doesn't like going into the Exchange Variation of the Ruy Lopez because of positions like these.

29th November 2008, 05:14pm
#6
by kungfoodchef
vigrinia United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 260

you don't play the Exchange Variation. Unless for some reason really like it.Laughing

29th November 2008, 05:16pm
#7
by DPG1232
Montreal China
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 537
kungfoodchef wrote:

you don't play the Exchange Variation. Unless for some reason really like it.


no offense, but I do like it.Tongue out

29th November 2008, 05:47pm
#8
by JenkinsaPDX
Portland, OR United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 267

I'm kinda surprised that you even CAN reach that position.  If I counted the moves right, black is missing one... are you sure a7 shouldn't be at a6? but as far as your situation, there's a few different moves that I know of.  Ng4 or Nc3. the first line goes 

6.Ng4 d5 7.h3 bxg4 (Ne3?! is met with d4) 8. then take with the queen or the pawn.  they both lead to queenless games.

or

6.Nf3 is pretty impossible to predict where its likely to go, but I think the queen takes g2. maybe.

This is the all I got from the games I've come across, I'm sure someone can fill it in better, hope this helps.

29th November 2008, 05:49pm
#9
by DPG1232
Montreal China
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 537
JenkinsaPDX wrote:

I'm kinda surprised that you even CAN reach that position.  If I counted the moves right, black is missing one... are you sure a7 shouldn't be at a6? but as far as your situation, there's a few different moves that I know of.  Ng4 or Nc3. the first line goes 

6.Ng4 d5 7.h3 bxg4 (Ne3?! is met with d4) 8. then take with the queen or the pawn.  they both lead to queenless games.

or

6.Nf3 is pretty impossible to predict where its likely to go, but I think the queen takes g2. maybe.

This is the all I got from the games I've come across, I'm sure someone can fill it in better, hope this helps.


fixed it. thanks

29th November 2008, 05:54pm
#10
by JenkinsaPDX
Portland, OR United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 267

Just looked at the game explorer for this variation, and it doesn't look good for white...  if less than 20 masters games count for anything, looks like Nf3 is the only one that comes up ok for white (33/33/33) Ng4 is (14/0/85)...Frown

29th November 2008, 05:58pm
#11
by DPG1232
Montreal China
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 537
JenkinsaPDX wrote:

Just looked at the game explorer for this variation, and it doesn't look good for white...  if less than 20 masters games count for anything, looks like Nf3 is the only one that comes up ok for white (33/33/33) Ng4 is (14/0/85)...


The odds are that bad?

Anyways, I used another move and I beat my opponent (althoughay have to do with lack of ability).

29th November 2008, 06:13pm
#12
by NM GreenLaser
Chester, NY United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1449

The bishop on f1 has been reincarnated.

29th November 2008, 06:27pm
#13
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 945

Nf3 looks good for white

29th November 2008, 06:50pm
#14
by DPG1232
Montreal China
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 537

Tongue out

This should be the exact one.

Make sure you go to the end of the game to see the position.

thanks for all the suggestions

29th November 2008, 07:04pm
#15
by max4444
United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 13

 Nf3 with Rg1 on Qxg2.

30th November 2008, 06:16am
#16
by hicetnunc
Neuilly-sur-Seine France
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 3289

I play the Exchange Ruy as white myself, and I'd rather avoid this position by playing 5.d4

30th November 2008, 06:37am
#17
by rockviper
Ajax, ON Canada
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 84

I think not playing Nxe5 in the first place is the easiest.

30th November 2008, 06:52am
#18
by bidoof
trondheim Norway
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Member Points: 23
rockviper wrote:

I think not playing Nxe5 in the first place is the easiest.


30th November 2008, 06:52am
#19
by bidoof
trondheim Norway
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 23

agreed

30th November 2008, 12:04pm
#20
by stanhope13
The Celestial City or Armageddon United Kingdom
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 365
Phelan wrote:

d4 looks good, attacking the queen, defending the knight and grabbing the center.


 loses the G pawn

 

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