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Jaguarphd
Grenjabob
Isn't that the start of the Van Geet Attack?
DrSpudnik
Looks more like the Van Git Retreat!
slvnfernando
Murder in the Cathedral!!! Thats what it is called!
rooperi
Well. it's good enough to take out Gligoric:
LAexpress12
can't this also be reached viam means of the scandinavian? 1e4 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nce2
I was thinking of playing it OTB. I need to know the the exact name. I know it is Van geet but I wanted to look up the opening and games. Either by means of 1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 d4 3. Nce2 or 1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nce2.
I want to play it as a custom chess.com challenge but need name of opening or the if it is a A00 or something
Estragon
Yes, it's filed under A00 - the Dunst Opening. Far more often Black plays 3 ...e5 instead of Gligoric's ...c5, where he should have equality at least.
Then whats the code if it was in the scandinavian move order?
The ECO code is the same based on the position. The move order difference represents a transposition. In ECO you would see a footnote in the Scandinavian chapter and that would direct you to Vol A00.
http://www.chess.com/echess/create_game.html
Ican't find the starting position I was talking about. :(
Conzipe
The Dutch deserve credit for advancing the theory of 1.Nc3, so I prefer Van Geet's Opening over the Dunst variation.
The problem with giving it an ECO code is that it's way too early. 1.Nc3 d5 2.d4 begins a Veresov. 1.Nc3 e5 2.e4 is heading for a Vienna, 1.Nc3 c5 2.e4 is a Sicilian, and so on. This is why it's such a brilliant CC choice!
No! your misplaying it!
After 1. Nc3 e5 2. Nf3! Nc6 3. d4 white has an interesting, probably even and improved version of the scotch because having a knight on c3 tends to be more useful than having a pawn on e4.
Also after 1. Nc3 c5 2. Nf3! followed by d4 is the same story, even though it often transposes into standard open sicilian lines it's quite tricky and some sicilian variations becomes completely unplayable because of whites slight change in move-order.
For example:
Elubas
Of course without the pawn on e4 white has much less control of d5, in fact in many cases black may threaten to at least equalize on the spot with ...d5. Not to say ...d5 is always good, but it usually is.
The independant lines of Nc3 tend to lead to pretty interesting (though equal) play, and I would try it if it wasn't for the fact that on most black moves it'll transpose to some king pawn opening.
But of course the problem is that black can never play d5 in a very effective way making this setup super-powerful! ;D
I would probably not pursue the Knight but play e6 and take it into the French by transposing to the 1. e4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 line. In this line, pursuing the Knight is not a good idea.
eainca
Take your pick. Van Geets, Dunst or Queen's Knight Attack.
I admire the enthusiasm of the 1 Nc3 devotees, but it seems their passion must affect their analysis. I am no expert on this opening, I concede, but there have been some very strong players who have been willing to experiment with many unpopular opening lines, Ivanchuk in particular but also Carlsen among active top players. They never seem to whip out 1 Nc3. Nor did the most opening-obsessed Champion of all, Kasparov.
There has to be a reason for that.
It's fine for confusing opponents at lower levels, but it doesn't get much attention from masters. Again, there must be a reason for that.
Cutebold
Then again, 1.a3 doesn't get much (read: any) love, but Carlsen played it in a blindfold game. Not that this contributes to its viability at all, especially considering he /lost/ the game, but...
Let's have some cookies.
Estragon, I believe that reason is that it can transpose into many other openings depending on what black does, so it's like white has to prepare for 1 Nc3 lines that are no more than equal, but anyone can dodge those lines anyway if they want with something like 1...e5. I'm not particularly convinced that avoiding e4 (and by that I mean instead of transposing to certain e4 openings) is something to crow about, it's an extremely useful pawn: defending d5 most of all!
Black can also transpose into a french or caro kann: 1 Nc3 d5 2 e4 e6 or 2...c6.
Morph27
I play it in quick games and like it
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