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What is this opening variation called?


  • 20 months ago · Quote · #1

    Jaguarphd

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #2

    Grenjabob

    Isn't that the start of the Van Geet Attack?

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #3

    DrSpudnik

    Looks more like the Van Git Retreat! Laughing

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #4

    slvnfernando

    Murder in the Cathedral!!! Thats what it is called!

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #5

    rooperi

    Well. it's good enough to take out Gligoric:

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #6

    LAexpress12

    can't this also be reached viam means of the scandinavian? 1e4 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nce2

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #7

    Jaguarphd

    I was thinking of playing it OTB. I need to know the the exact name. I know it is Van geet but I wanted to look up the opening and games. Either by means of 1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 d4 3. Nce2 or 1. e4 d5 2. Nc3 d4 3. Nce2.

     

    I want to play it as a custom chess.com challenge but need name of opening or the if it is a A00 or something

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #8

    Estragon

    Yes, it's filed under A00 - the Dunst Opening.  Far more often Black plays 3 ...e5 instead of Gligoric's ...c5, where he should have equality at least.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #9

    Jaguarphd

    Then whats the code if it was in the scandinavian move order?

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #10

    DrSpudnik

    The ECO code is the same based on the position. The move order difference represents a transposition. In ECO you would see a footnote in the Scandinavian chapter and that would direct you to Vol A00.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #11

    Jaguarphd

    http://www.chess.com/echess/create_game.html

     

    Ican't find the starting position I was talking about. :(

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #12

    Conzipe

    Fezzik wrote:

    The Dutch deserve credit for advancing the theory of 1.Nc3, so I prefer Van Geet's Opening over the Dunst variation.

    The problem with giving it an ECO code is that it's way too early. 1.Nc3 d5 2.d4 begins a Veresov. 1.Nc3 e5 2.e4 is heading for a Vienna, 1.Nc3 c5 2.e4 is a Sicilian, and so on. This is why it's such a brilliant CC choice!


     No! your misplaying it! Cry

    After 1. Nc3 e5 2. Nf3! Nc6 3. d4 white has an interesting, probably even and improved version of the scotch because having a knight on c3 tends to be more useful than having a pawn on e4.

    Also after 1. Nc3 c5 2. Nf3! followed by d4 is the same story, even though it often transposes into standard open sicilian lines it's quite tricky and some sicilian variations becomes completely unplayable because of whites slight change in move-order.

    For example:

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #13

    Elubas

    Of course without the pawn on e4 white has much less control of d5, in fact in many cases black may threaten to at least equalize on the spot with ...d5. Not to say ...d5 is always good, but it usually is.

    The independant lines of Nc3 tend to lead to pretty interesting (though equal) play, and I would try it if it wasn't for the fact that on most black moves it'll transpose to some king pawn opening.

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #14

    Conzipe

    But of course the problem is that black can never play d5 in a very effective way making this setup super-powerful! ;D

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #15

    DrSpudnik

    I would probably not pursue the Knight but play e6 and take it into the French by transposing to the 1. e4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 line. In this line, pursuing the Knight is not a good idea.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #16

    eainca

    Take your pick.  Van Geets, Dunst or Queen's Knight Attack.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #17

    Estragon

    I admire the enthusiasm of the 1 Nc3 devotees, but it seems their passion must affect their analysis.  I am no expert on this opening, I concede, but there have been some very strong players who have been willing to experiment with many unpopular opening lines, Ivanchuk in particular but also Carlsen among active top players.  They never seem to whip out 1 Nc3.  Nor did the most opening-obsessed Champion of all, Kasparov.

    There has to be a reason for that.

    It's fine for confusing opponents at lower levels, but it doesn't get much attention from masters.  Again, there must be a reason for that. 

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #18

    Cutebold

    Then again, 1.a3 doesn't get much (read: any) love, but Carlsen played it in a blindfold game. Not that this contributes to its viability at all, especially considering he /lost/ the game, but...

    Let's have some cookies.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #19

    Elubas

    Estragon, I believe that reason is that it can transpose into many other openings depending on what black does, so it's like white has to prepare for 1 Nc3 lines that are no more than equal, but anyone can dodge those lines anyway if they want with something like 1...e5. I'm not particularly convinced that avoiding e4 (and by that I mean instead of transposing to certain e4 openings) is something to crow about, it's an extremely useful pawn: defending d5 most of all!

    Black can also transpose into a french or caro kann: 1 Nc3 d5 2 e4 e6 or 2...c6.

  • 14 months ago · Quote · #20

    Morph27

    I play it in quick games and like it

     


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