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What should I play with White/Black


  • 13 months ago · Quote · #1

    ApexKiller

    Im new to chess and I want a good opening. 

    I like playing closed positions and I prefer Knights over Bishops

    I don't like playing open positions

    I love to push pawns and play well with a lot of space

    I need a good openings as White and Black

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #2

    ApexKiller

    i already tried e4 and i played the ruy lopez which was nice and all but black has too many responses to 1.e4 . There is so much he can throw at you that im getting very annoyed. I liked the french defence as black against 1.e4 but I will need more suggestions.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #3

    ApexKiller

    i dont like the sicilian

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #4

    ApexKiller

    this is not helping??????????

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #5

    AnnaZC

    snakesbelly wrote:

    What I also see here is 'I need,I want,I don't like' but never 'thanks' or even ' please' Seeing as you need more suggestions I suggest you repent for your lack of chess manners.

    you are a fruitcake,

    plain and simple, a fruitcake, nutty looney fruitcake!

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #6

    sargentboomstick

    I would suggest playing the colle it comes from 1.d4

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #7

    AnnaZC

    OP, I would focus on post #2,

    you can try c4 as an opener for White too, but e4 and d4 should be a good place to start, and practice

    Black's responses c5, d5, e5,

    I would keep it simple, try them out with the DB,

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #8

    shepi13

    Against the sicilian just play the closed variation. As its name says, it's closed, and you get to push a lot of pawns Laughing.

     



  • 13 months ago · Quote · #9

    AnnaZC

    snakesbelly wrote:

    I wouldn't call him a fruitcake but he is rude

    I was calling you a fruitcake!

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #10

    ApexKiller

    Yeah i have learned the Scandivanian, Caro-Kann, French, and e5 as black. And i think i like playing c4 Botvinnik Formation

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #11

    ThrillerFan

    ApexKiller, I respect your preference for closed positions over open.  Clearly, there is no real way to FORCE such positions.  I think what you really mean is that you are better at positional play than tactics.

    However, at the same time, when you make blanket comments like "I like knights more than bishops", until you are willing to let go of stereotypical thoughts like this, YOU WILL NEVER GET ANY BETTER AT THE GAME, PERIOD! 

    Also, you make a candid statement about hating the Sicilian.  Uhm...I'd make bets there is a Sicilian line out there for you.  It's such a wide opening that a generic statement like yours is horrible.  I, personally, can't make sense out of the Sicilian Najdorf, and don't like the style of the Dragon, but I can play a Scheveningen, Taimanov, Kan, or O'Kelly Sicilian with ease.

    Which do I prefer between Bishops and Knights?  Whichever minor piece is the dominant minor piece for the position I specifically have at that moment.  Until you think like this, you will NEVER get any better.  Good Knight vs Bad Bishop, I want the Knight.  Bishop pair on an open board with pawns on both sides, dominating the Knights, I want the Bishops!

    Based on your preference for a more positional game, I'd suggest you do 3 things:

    1) Study 1.d4 as White

    2) Study the Sicilian with 2...e6 (1...e5 will end up too open for your taste more often than not) and either the Queen's Gambit Declined, Slav, or Nimzo-Indian and Queen's Indian (the former for when White plays 3.Nc3, the latter for 3.Nf3)

    3) Study GM Games with EVERY main stream opening.  Even though you might not be playing the Sicilian Dragon, make sure you look at a few GM games with that opening, NOT to study the opening, but to understand middlegame and endgame play in various types of positions.  Oh, and pay close attention to games where the Bishop trumps the Knight!

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #12

    daturadream23

    The Knight's Games (2,3,4) are time honored classics and follow many of the basic strategies of chess. They were the first openings I learned as a kid, and I still use them everyonce in a while. They encourage pawn occupation of the center and quick knight development, and are solid all around, though rather quiet in nature. That is, until the fighting begins!

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #13

    ThrillerFan

    daturadream23 wrote:

    The Knight's Games (2,3,4) are time honored classics and follow many of the basic strategies of chess. They were the first openings I learned as a kid, and I still use them everyonce in a while. They encourage pawn occupation of the center and quick knight development, and are solid all around, though rather quiet in nature. That is, until the fighting begins!

    There is no way that you can say that all of them are solid and quiet in Nature.

    The 3-Knights game and certain lines of the 4-Knights game are indeed positional in nature, and often quite.

    However, lines like 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Nd4 (A pawn sacrifice by Black), and the ever popular Two-Knights Defense (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6) are highly tactical, and I surely wouldn't recommend the Two Knights Defense as Black for ApexKiller if he's not into highly tactical lines.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #14

    daturadream23

    True thrillerfan, I suggest them mainly because "knights before bishops" tends to be a helpful adage. The theory behind such openings is, of course, dense, but I think the principals behind the knights games are solid. Maybe not quiet, but solid

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #15

    Scottrf

    Chess.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #16

    ApexKiller

    How about a Catalan?

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #17

    ApexKiller

    Is a Catalan good for me?

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #18

    Here_Is_Plenty

    The catalan is a great opening. Then again I love hypermodern ideas and long diagonal bishops with central breaks.  It depends what you enjoy.  Try the catalan a few times against the computer.  If you dont enjoy that I would steer clear of all hypermodern stuff (eg 1)Nf3, 1) b3, etc).

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #19

    ThrillerFan

    The problem is, you can't just simply say you are playing a Catalan.  That only accounts for QGD with 2...e6 and Nimzo-Indian players.

    1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.g3 is one way to reach the Catalan

    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 d5 4.Bg2 with 5.Nf3 is another way to reach the Catalan

    However:

    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3, while playable, is a Fianchetto King's Indian or Fianchetto Grunfeld (Black's Choice which), and the theory is SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT than the Catalan.

    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 steers the game into Benoni lines, where 3.g3 is just bad.  3.d5 or 3.Nf3 (The Anti-Benoni, which is technically now a line of the English) are White's only real options unless he wants a bad game.

    1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 and now 3.g3 is just stupid.  You'd need to find a line you prefer to counter the Slav

    Also, keep in mind that against QGD players, you may not get a Catalan, but rather a direct transposition to the Tarrasch Defense:  1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.g3 c5.

    So if you intend to take up the Catalan, be prepared for a lot more studying than just the Catalan.  Grandmaster Repertoire 1 and Grandmaster Repertoire 2, roughly 1050 to 1100 pages between them, would give you a complete d4-repertoire with the Catalan as the line of choice against the QGD or Nimzo-Indian.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #20

    TheIndianAttacker

    Well if you like closed positions, i recommend you to play 1.D4 since most of the positions are pretty closed although there are some dynamic responses from black like the Kings Indian Defense and the Modern Benoni. I used to play 1.e4 but i switched when i was about 1600 USCF and played 1. d4 and was able to get to 2050 USCF, partly because i was confident in my white repertoire. But if you really want a position that is closed but is ( in my opinion) a little dry while gives you a slight edge, i would say to play 1. c4 or 1. Nf3. Now for Black, i would say to play the french defense against 1.e4 since nearly all the positions i can think of are closed and it teaches you some great middlegame ideas. Against 1. d4, i think the slav or semi-slav defenses would suit you. Hope these suggestions help you


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