whats this opening called

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18th June 2008, 10:50am
#1
by young_roy123
Germany
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18th June 2008, 10:58am
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by Mr_XYZ
Netherlands
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If you start with 1f4 its birds opening, but this position can also arise out of another move


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_Opening
18th June 2008, 11:14am
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by likesforests
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It's the Bird-Larsen Attack, a blend of the Bird (1.f4) and Larsen (1.b3 2.Bb2).

http://www.chesscircle.net/forums/games-analysis/34248-birdlarsen-opening.html 


18th June 2008, 11:46am
#4
by eternal21
New Jersey Poland
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I like to lose?
18th June 2008, 12:17pm
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by likesforests
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Actually, it makes some sense. Suppose White wants to play b3 & BB2. One challenge is, after 1.b3 e5 the bishop will be biting on granite. After 1.f4 d5 2.b3 the bishop's path is not blocked by any pawns. Here is one of GM Reinderman's games in the line:

 


18th June 2008, 12:20pm
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by likesforests
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I think FM Etman's 2...d4 & 3...Nc6 were clever. It's like he was saying, "Hah! You played f4 so my pawns wouldn't block your bishop's path, but now they still do." 2...d4 also makes e3 / Bb5 difficult so it's not easy to attack the knight and undermine the d4 pawn. But he made some inaccuracies and GM Reinderman saw how to capitalize on them. Of course, he resigned due to the upcoming pawn fork 16.e4! when White wins easily.


18th June 2008, 12:26pm
#7
by likesforests
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Here's the flip side of the coin; Black meets White's queenside fianchetto with a kingside fianchetto, a solid counter-idea that succeeds here.


18th June 2008, 12:55pm
#8
by Mr_XYZ
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likesforests wrote:

Here's the flip side of the coin; Black meets White's queenside fianchetto with a kingside fianchetto, a solid counter-idea that succeeds here.

 


I prefer the from's gambit for black here (but I like this idea too) 


18th June 2008, 01:54pm
#9
by likesforests
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Yep, that's another good way to handle it.
18th June 2008, 07:37pm
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by young_roy123
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thanks everybody

 


18th June 2008, 08:16pm
#11
by LydiaBlonde
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About the possition at the first diagram: it's possible for white to play 1. f4 and 2. b3, but to develop king's kniight at e2 after that is ilogical. Nf3 is necessary, for white controle xe5 and white need xe2 to develop king's bishop.  Queen's  knight can be developed at  d2, after d2-d3.
 

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