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11th February 2009, 01:18pm
#1
by GoAdelaideUnited
Australia
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 397

Can u answer this question?

Why do you think most grandmasters use these openings?

  • D43, D12, D49, D18, D14, D19, D43, D21, D27, D37, D85
  • C54, C42, C88
  • E12, E05, E32, E34, E25, E37, E55, E21
  • A17, A30
  • B66,B65,B49,B32,B33,B31 AND B30

 

 

 

What makes them better than other ones?

11th February 2009, 02:17pm
#2
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1570

You know, I'm a huge chess nerd, but I do not know ECO codes from the top of my head. Perhaps I'm not the only one.

Perhaps it would be a bit easier for us if you gave some names, or even actual moves?

11th February 2009, 02:24pm
#3
by Banala
Trondheim Norway
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 79

Take a look Scarblac:

http://www.chesslab.com/PositionSearch.html

Maybe you'll find something of interest. Wink

11th February 2009, 02:34pm
#4
by mschosting
Portugal Portugal
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1091

Opening are just like fashion trends they come and go, some years ago there was one now theres another, it will depend on the new rising stars, for example radjabov started wooping some guys with the kings indian now everyone goes that way...

11th February 2009, 02:37pm
#5
by Mm40
Essex County, New Jersey United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 2097

Some openings are used because it has been decided, after years of study and analyzing them, they are the best.

11th February 2009, 05:43pm
#6
by l_goch
Chicago United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 1986

I believe that the reason chess players, in general, choose to use a particular opening/opening system is because they feel comfortable with the middle-game position that follows.

11th February 2009, 11:01pm
#7
by GoAdelaideUnited
Australia
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 397

The openings are

  • Semi-Slav Defense
  • Giuoco Piano
  • Queens Indian Def
  • English
  • Sicilian
  • Slav Def
  • Queens Gambit accepted and declined
  • Grunfeld Def
  • Nimzo-Indian Defense
  • Petrovs Def
  • Ruy Lopez
  • Catalan

and certain lines of them

11th February 2009, 11:06pm
#8
by NM tonydal
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 4007

GMs use the Giuoco Piano now?  Wow (I gotta read more news!).

11th February 2009, 11:20pm
#9
by Niven42
West Lafayette, Indiana United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1140

You listed 31 openings.  If you ask me, I'd wonder more about why they play so many different openings.

11th February 2009, 11:41pm
#10
by BaronDerKilt
East of Omaha United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 433
tonydal wrote:

GMs use the Giuoco Piano now?  Wow (I gotta read more news!).


That was my first thought Exactly~! Surprised So, Can Chesscom just add a click that will print out "Ditto~What He Said!" ? Laughing

Thought #3 being: Have GM's abandoned the French and Caro !?? And #4, except for the Grunfeld, which has a lot of uncovered ground to justify itself, and a couple other obvious exceptions, those look like pretty Boring (aka unsharp) selections opening-wise. Some clearly would just Avoid any question of being much surprised or much endangered by an Opening improvement.

GAU, It may just be a matter of switching what GM's you are watching to some a bit less "positional" and more adventurous, if they are playing those openings regularly ...other than Ruy and Sicilian. Watch someone that has walked the cutting edge of some opening(s) of theirs. At least get a taste of the new and the tactical that is out there if you havent. View the Tactical Side of The Force, before surrenduring yourself to the Positional Side~! Wink  Bronstein be with you

12th February 2009, 12:42am
#11
by rexbo
tasmania Australia
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 430

If they are playing the giuoco piano there would have had to been some trendy new discovery in it (kind of like when the alekhines got a bit more popular with all the c4 gambit lines).

12th February 2009, 01:08am
#12
by rigamagician
Toronto Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 3639

GMs Bologan, Korneev and Efimenko have been playing the Guioco Pianissimo with an early 5.d3 a fair bit lately, although I would be really surprised if it was more popular than the French Defence.

I agree with mschosting that opening trends are driven to some extent by impressive wins by high profile players.  After Kramnik used the Ruy Lopez Berlin defence to stymy Kasparov, it came into fashion in a big way.  In the Sicilian Najdorf, 6.Be3 replaced 6.Bg5 because of Kasparov.  The Petroff came into fashion after Karpov started using it.  Who knows what the next big trend will be?  Mamedyrov's Max Lange Gambit?

24th July 2009, 06:58pm
#13
by GoAdelaideUnited
Australia
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 397

Okay can you tell me what openings you prefer to use as white or black?

24th July 2009, 07:14pm
#14
by idosheepallnight
United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 1235

Here is a game that the winner of the 2009 US chess championship played, from the 2009 US chess championship. Look like the Guico Piano to me.

24th July 2009, 09:32pm
#15
by chessoholicalien
Missouri United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 670

It's the Two Knight's Defense (ECO C55-C59)

24th July 2009, 10:37pm
#16
by Estragon
United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 133
chessoholicalien wrote:

It's the Two Knight's Defense (ECO C55-C59)


Yes, but that is Black's choice, not White's.

 

The French and Caro-Kann, as well as the Pirc/Modern, have lost favor at the highest levels.  This is mainly a factor of fashion, as the Berlin Defense and the Petroff have proved so effective at holding the draw for Black in recent years.

Players willing to risk loss to play for a win are sticking with the Sicilian.

When White figures out ways to put more pressure on the double-KP defenses, the French and Caro and Pirc will see a resurgence. 

Openings rarely die, even if not seen for a long time.  The Berlin Defense is an excellent example, taking the better part of a century to return to respectability.  But Spassky pulled out the Tarrasch Defense after half a century against Petrosian in their 1969 match, and Kasparov dusted off the Scotch, not seen at the highest levels in a century, against Karpov in 1990.

 

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