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Why do people hate "d4" so much?


  • 4 months ago · Quote · #81

    Anacapa

    And, one never really knows if the opponent online is human or a programmed opponent, so don't forget to play on the table at home with good chess buddies.  . . . . . Chess should retain its organic-social origins.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #82

    EdwardKingSolomon

    At lower levels (my ratings 1450 and below) people dont' like it, because they play e4 games as white , or against it as black, 99% of the time. I've been nearly undefeated pushing my way up from 1250 to 1400+ by learning a lot of d4 theory, including all of it variations (for instance I just studied the delayed Dutch defense from black to defend against d4).

    So they get mad, because they dont' understand it, and it destroys every plan they had in mind from all their e4 games.

    A similiar thing happened in bullet chess. I was playing 1 minute and 3 minute chess. I kept taking an extreme butt kicking, mainly because they all prepare their traps far ahead of time. After a while I played a hedgehog defense +1 tempo as white and just let them run out of time suiciding me. As black I played double fiancetto and put my knights on the Queen side with a French hybrid then queen side castled. The moment I queen side castled they resigned, simply because all of their normal plans went to waste and they wouldn't have enough time to win.

    Ever since I stopped playing speed chess, since these heavy defensive strategies will let you win on time, although this probably IIS NOT the case in HIGH LEVEL speed chess, I find that I'm not learning anything at my current level of play, and am better off playing 15/30 minute games and developing more opening theory (studying the Reti opening to King's Indian or English transition at the moment).

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #83

    ScorpionPackAttack

    jurassicmc wrote:

    I hate 1.d4 because many players then play 2.e3 3. c3, 4.Bf4 , etc  bored systems, solid but bored without imagination. 

    Against 1.d4 i play the magic  1...e5  and i am happy with the board. Englund gambit is the best system to ensure a tactic game.

    It is a weak reply, maybe you want the Benko gambit instead? 

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #84

    dA_pIFSTER

    whenever i annotate games i mark anything other than d4 as a blunder for white

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #85

    Fear_ItseIf

    anacapa wrote:

    I tend to think all boredom is resolved by winning.  The creation of boredom is also mentioned in  Sun Tzu's Art of War as a valid tactic for winning.  Thus, beware of the boring opponent.

    +1

    I dont know why people hate on the London so much, I find my london games just as interesting as the Benko, Jaenisch, tromp or hopton games I play.
    Its always interesting to see the small accumulation of mistakes black ususally makes transfer into an advantage for white, and often black has no idea why they gte bad positions.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #86

    Moses2792796

    People who make statements like 'd4 is positional, e4 is tactical' or 'd4 is passive, e4 is aggressive' are probably the same people whose entire understanding of chess revolves around trying to mate on the f2/f7 square in the first few moves of the game.

    Kind of repeating what has been said but there are many extremely tactical variations that can occur afterr d4 and many very quiet lines that can occur after e4.  Think the Botvinnik system in the semi-slav or the Giuoco Pianissimo.  Actually I think the most significant difference between the two moves is that the various openings that can occur after d4 are often much more similar than the different variations that occur after e4.  So by playing d4 you can kind of anticipate the structures that will arise, whereas black's choice of opening after e4 can lead into very different types of games.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #87

    plutonia

    jurassicmc wrote:
    anacapa wrote:

    I tend to think all boredom is resolved by winning.  The creation of boredom is also mentioned in  Sun Tzu's Art of War as a valid tactic for winning.  Thus, beware of the boring opponent.

    Yes, but i play for fun that is my first aim . I won´t make money winnin in chess. When someone plays systems like Colle or another system where their pieces are 15-20 moves without cross the fourth line,  i  ask myself if really  these guys are playin chess .

    As my countryman  GM Miguel Illescas once said : " In past i had fear of losing , when i was willing to lose is when i got my best results."  

     

     

    I feel the same, I like to play againist d4-c4 but playing against the Colle or the London is just too boring. Especially the Colle tends to give black zero counterplay.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #88

    blasterdragon

    i personally hate when my opponet plays d4 since i don't get to play the sicilian which i like playing when my opponet plays d4 i have to play a more passive opening like the nimzo

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #89

    shepi13

    Shawshank-Redeemer wrote:

    You cant play the parham if you play d4.

    You still haven't responded to my line, where black is practically winning.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #90

    Moses2792796

    There is a common fallacy, whereby someone playing black believes that if white plays some inferior moves that black should have a forced win.  Most of the time this is not the case.  The Parham is not exactly refutable, however with correct play black should get at least equality and probably a small advantage, but there is no way that black is 'winning' out of the opening.  I would say that it is playable, if not exactly good, at amateur level.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #91

    shepi13

    Shawshank-Redeemer wrote:

    What line?

    In both the parham refutation thread and the 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 thread.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #92

    jesterville

    I myself prefer 1.d4...but I have been hearing about this "Parham Opening" so much lately, I will need to look see.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #93

    blasterdragon

    Chessdude007 wrote:

    If we are looking at openings from an offensive standpoint, e4 is superior to any other opening... this is why many people don't like d4- or Nf3 for that matter.

    why is nf3 not agressive you are already putting a peice out on the first move? also its very flexible as well


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