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Certainly looks better than 12...d6 which leaves Bc5 awful. It was last chance for 12...a6 too, but OP seemed to be going to great pains to avoid that move.
Yes it is a typical thing done in Reps to save time and effort, but you are not necessarily playing the best lines that take more work to master. In both cases white has good chances getting a better than normal opening advantage by playing lines that aim to show Nc6 is misplaced. In the bogoIndian if black can acheive aim of d6 followed by e5 without playing nc6 should do so.
@OP : this variation (4.Qc2 c5) is very difficult to play for Black (not bad, but difficult). You may find the main lines with 4...0-0 a bit easier to navigate.
In the variation you quote, I was wondering about 12...d5 (this is the move Black really wants to get in), with the idea 13.cxd5 Nb4 ?
cxd5 exd5/...Nxd5 Nxd5 exd5 gives an isolated queen pawn to black, and I don't think you can attack with it. also 13..Nb5 is very annoying. I think 12...d6 was a mistake Nb5 still is annoying. and withidrawing the knight to d7 looks risky, because the b2 bishop looks pretty dangerous pointing at g7. by the way, 12...d5 13. Nb5 Nb4 loses a pawn to Qxh7+!! kxh7 Nxc7
by the way, why not ...0-0 e4? and the a3 line is not bad, either
but maybe 12...d5 13.Nb5 Qc8 rather than 13...Nb4
sure, this is a game
My point was that the positions after 4.Qc2 0-0 might be a bit easier to handle as black than those arising after 4.Qc2 c5
Nb5 Qb8 is better, Qc8 runs into the annoying Nd6
Sorry, I forgot d5 was played but Qc8 runs into Bxf6. Qd8 is better
12...d5 13.Nb5 Qe7 is best according to Houdini, but all the time you are worried about Nb5. Why not play a6 some point to prevent it?
The "main line" popular with FIDE 2700+ at moment is 4...0.0 5a3 BxN 6QxB d5 rather than 6...b6. The same position can be reached after 4...d5 5a3 It depends on whether prefer facing 4...0.0 5e4 or 4...d5 5pxp.
by the way why not Qc2 c5 a3?
and why not 4...d5 5.a3
4....d5 5a3 can lead to position popular with FIDE 2700+ currently i.e 5...BxN 6QxN 0.0 there are also older lines with 6...Ne4.
I looked on a database for this opening. you are better than an opening database at openings?
I would hope so. Data bases are unable to think. If you are following a database without understanding the moves, you are not playing an opening you are mimicking like a monkey. Playing moves that you don't understand can only lead to disaster as your game illustrates.
I know why these moves are played. I have FCo
fundamental chess openings. by the way there is game explorer and other databases, all of which say 4...0-0 the most popular, followed by 4...c5 and 4...d5, and then 4...Nc6.
After 1.d4 Nf6 2c4 e6 3Nc3 Bb4 4Qc2 c5 5a3 then after 5...BxNch 6QxN (persumably 6pxN not a problem for a Nimzo player) 6...pxp 7QxN Nc6 black gets tempos on the queen, but black chould get weak on black squares if doesn't play active enough. So not really sure why 5a3 so much less popular than 5pxp.
Reason I don't play d4 Nf6 c4 e6 Nf3 as white is because of the QID.
If you're not a fan of theory, a good continuation is the ...b6, g3 Ba6 Nbd2 line in the QID. It is quite simple and promising for white. I play the QID and that line isn't easy to crack.
yeah, and I hate it when my opponent does the slipped bishop ...b5 variation.
Strange how some kids with no real experience get a database or a book and think they are experts on an opening.
The fact is that in the last several years, 3 Nf3 has been played more often than 3 Nc3 at the master level, and that isn't because the Nimzoindian is so weak. Those numbers don't include the pure Catalan, either, the popularity of which rebounded as GMs found it ever tougher to get an meaningful advantage vs the NID.
Just out of curiosity, who here plays the bogo indian against the Nf3 line? or do you transpose into a QID? I prefer the QID, but that's just my personal preference.
I play the BID or QGD. (by the way The QGA is too complicated for me. I'm scared of 4.Nc3 which I play myself
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