Why isn't this opening played more often? Can an experienced player answer?

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8th June 2008, 12:16pm
#21
by shambo
Great Britain
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 301
Another idea is to do the c4 break with a reversed modern benoni (sort of)
8th June 2008, 01:01pm
#22
by Dalems
New Mexico United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 28
where is the best place to put the knight on b1 I have been putting it on c3 or d2 if I can get e4
8th June 2008, 01:23pm
#23
by alexy777
Miami, Florida United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 191
I would not suggest that opening. I would suggest Bird's Opening, f4, then Nf3 followed by an eventual b3 and Bb2
10th June 2008, 12:16pm
#24
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2586

depthshaman, I'm afraid you are forgetting one very important detail when looking at the win/draw/loss percentages -- a draw is considered to be an acceptable result for black and a bad result for white.  Yes, white has a higher winning percentage but when you add black's winning percentage to the draw percentage, black is getting an acceptable or positive result 2/3's of the time in some cases.

You asked for feedback and I offered my thoughts.  If you like this opening then play it.  If you do well with it and it does everything you want an opening to do then there's no reason to play anything different.  You asked why more people don't play it, I think it's because the evidence clearly shows that this opening is not one of white's strongest openings. 

A great chess player can play a great game of chess no matter what opening he uses.  The rest of us need all the help we can get.  Call me crazy but I prefer to start a race at a full sprint instead of shooting myself in the foot and hobbling out of the starting blocks.


10th June 2008, 12:48pm
#25
by jonloop
United Kingdom
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 86
Some excellent points Gonnosuke! especially the bit about the difference between a draw for white and a draw for black, something that is easily forgotten
10th June 2008, 01:25pm
#26
by Escapest_Pawn
MISSOULA,MT United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 752
My instincts are, (and I have never played it), that white gives black too much play, and simply does not challenge black enough.  White could easily get a good game out of it however, especially if black assumes it's black's role to be defensive and not grab as much territory as he can.
10th June 2008, 04:13pm
#27
by Waldemar
Amsterdam Netherlands
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 174

I agree with most commentators that White's opening play is too modest to obtain an objective opening advantage. Basically it is the Queens' Indian with reversed colors where Black is normally controlling e4. Now it is White controlling e5 trying to prevent Black from setting up a broad center with e5. However, if Black is a little bit careless White can bring his pieces into active positions as the great Emanuel Lasker managed to do against Bauer, Amsterdam 1889. He played a very famous combination from a middlegame position stemming from this type of opening play. If you like you can enjoy the combination here:

http://www.chessedelic.com/2008/05/22/the-worlds-most-famous-chess-combinations-2-lasker-v-bauer/

Cheers,

Waldemar 

 


12th June 2008, 11:04am
#28
by Zenchess
Omaha United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 391

"You're right about it being passive. I analyzed it with fritz and found that about four moves in the position is exactly equal. With an e4 opening four moves in it can be around .5 in white's favor."

Uh...you can't use fritz to analyze an opening 4 moves deep.  Lol.  

 It never ceases to amuse me when chess noobs open up a chess engine and start talking about the engine's output as if it's some kind of god-like thing. 

Don't you think chess would have been solved by now if it was that simple?

 


12th June 2008, 12:38pm
#29
by tonswinchillchur
Mexico now, but really from Buenos Aires Argentina
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 48

Though not an experienced player & largely ignorant abt opening theory, i've been playing just that opening a number of times as i find it catches my opponent by surprise and opens up a number of interesting possibilities for the game. Perhaps it's a bit passive, yes, but i'm liking it and will keep using it while i also devote some time to analyzing how to improve both the opening and the middle game.

Here are two recent games in which i used that opening and won with white. I'm just inserting the actual moves, with no annotations. Comments greatly welcome!


12th June 2008, 03:27pm
#30
by depthshaman
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 280

Zenchess, your condescending attitude is disgusting. Maybe fritz isn't good for analyzing the opening, but what I say is true. With an e pawn opening white has more of an advantage than this one. I was just seeing what fritz said about it. So in this case, fritz is right. There's no way around that. Are you trying to say it was wrong? And of course I don't always trust the machine. I still can't believe you called me a chess noob. It reveals something about you.

 

 At any rate, my question has been answered. Thankyou all for your feedback. I  am going to continue using this opening because I enjoy it, even though it doesn't confer me the advantage of the other openings. Anybody who likes this opening should send me a personal message and maybe we can start a thread for those of us who enjoy the Nimzo opening. For the people who scowl at this opening, feel free to challenge me to a game with the black pieces, me with the white, starting 1. Nf3 D5 2. b3

 

Gonnosuke, what you say is true. We are in agreement.

And good games tonswinchillchur! Although I think your opponents lost the advantage in the middlegame.


12th June 2008, 04:12pm
#31
by Chessbee
California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 898
Zenchess wrote:

"You're right about it being passive. I analyzed it with fritz and found that about four moves in the position is exactly equal. With an e4 opening four moves in it can be around .5 in white's favor."

Uh...you can't use fritz to analyze an opening 4 moves deep.  Lol.  

 It never ceases to amuse me when chess noobs open up a chess engine and start talking about the engine's output as if it's some kind of god-like thing. 

Don't you think chess would have been solved by now if it was that simple?

 


 True as it is it is still, rude. I agree with the majority of analyses here though.


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